Tuesday, October 12, 2010

Factual responses to propaganda

Cold Turkey said...

@ Rooster

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts wouldn't we all have a merry Christmas?

If Apartheid... blah blah blah
How come that apartheid did not prevent Indians from building their own schools and running thriving businesses? Some Indians were already driving Ferraris back in the sixties! On the contrary what have your noble savages done to earn their current so called "freedom"? Your black buddies were instead burning down schools, killing, maiming, raping and blowing up innocent people in the name of what? Your perverted empathy has created this "culture of entitlement" among your noble savages who now think they must be compensated for everything because of apartheid. During apartheid whites were not given houses for free. Education was not free either. Not everybody could afford to go to university.

Yours is just ridiculous speculative drivel and leftist propaganda and just shows your inability to provide solid arguments. You are a con-artist of note and thanks to people like you who that our society has no moral standards or principles.

Fuck you rooster!

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Rooster, [1/2]

By Gedaliah Brauns definition of a racist (), you would qualify for that term.

About the poor blacks we treated so bad... It appears you don't do much to educate yourself about a multitude of perspectives, so you can get a balanced fully-informed view of any issue:

In Dr. Gedaliah Braun's book, Racism, Guilt, Self-Hatred and Self Deceipt: A Philosophers Hard Headed Look at the Dark Continent, he travels through SA to enquire from blacks whether they prefer black or white rule. By far the majority preferred white Apartheid rule, bad as it was, because they feared their own blacks would treat them worse. They cite the reasons for their participating in protests as fear for the 'Necklace Street Committees'

Here is an excerpt of one ladies views:

During the month I spent in South Africa in January 1986, I took every opportunity to ask blacks what they thought about black vs. white rule (etc.). Almost without exception they said they did not want black rule and for the same reasons: the white man was cleverer and more honest.

The most memorable conversation was with a young woman taking a computer course in central Jo¬hannes¬burg.

At first she expressed a noted hostility towards whites, saying she hated white peo¬ple. All whites? I asked. No, just the Boers (Afrikaners). All Boers? No, just those who hated blacks. So what appeared an extreme view turned out to be quite reasonable: hating those you think hate you.

Nevertheless, there was this antagonism towards whites and so I said to her, ‘You must be anx¬ious to see an end to white rule’. Her answer? ‘No way!’ She didn’t want black rule? Not at all. Why not? Her answer, al¬most word for word: ‘The white man knows the difference between right and wrong and will usually do the right thing. The black man also knows the difference but will usually do the wrong thing!’. And as I heard these words I knew I would not soon for¬get them

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Rooster [2/2]

As for your White Guilt and Horrific Bias, whereby you expect whites to live upto a far higher standard than blacks (perhaps because like the ultimate hypocrit bigot, you really don't think blacks are capable of living upto the same standard as whites, but you lack the integrity to be honest with them, and provide them honest feedback, about your views)...

You clearly are totaly ignorant of: Did ‘Evil Apartheid’ raise Black living standards to Highest in Africa? (excerpt):

59. Although Verwoerd’s Apartheid “launched the greatest programme of socio-economic upliftment for non-whites that South Africa had ever seen,”[163] which raised poor blacks living standards to the highest in Africa[164], granting them greater self-determination under Afrikaners[165], than other minority black tribes in Africa enjoyed under majority black rule. This did not sit well with the OAU, who founded the OAU Liberation Committee, to assist in “forging an international consensus against apartheid.”[166] It claims it was devoted to eradicating all traces of colonialism to benefit Africans ‘self determination’; but it “rejected post-independence claims to self-determination in Biafra, Katanga, southern Sudan, Shaba and Eritrea”[167], and the Sahrawi people’s right to self determination[168]. The OAU’s collective effort to rid Africa of apartheid meant it “played an influential role in the UN to ensure an arms embargo, economic sanctions, condemnation of South Africa’s main trade partners and the non-recognition of the “homelands”.”[169](own emphasis)

60. In 1961, then foreign minister of SA, Eric Louw presented to the UN a factual comparison of the living conditions of blacks in South Africa compared to other African states. He proved that Blacks in SA had a higher per capita income, better educational opportunities[170], far superior medical and social services and altogether a higher standard of living than anywhere in Africa. In response, the OAU engineered a motion of censure against him (first of its kind) and his speech was struck from the record. Even “The Washington Post”, who regularly criticized South Africa, noted:

“Nothing that South Africa has done and nothing that its representatives said, justified the mob-like censure which the United Nations visited upon that country and its Foreign Minister, Mr Eric Louw.”

61. Opening Pandora’s Apartheid Box – Part 9 – The lies about the Townships, Mike Smith Political Commentary: “At the height of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 Football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses. In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, & its own fruit and vegetable market. There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The Blacks of South Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.”

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...


You really should give yourself an education about how black folk really think.... instead of peddling your white guilt crap.

You are far more of a bigot than any right winger, for (a) you think blacks are incapable of living up to white man's standards, and instead of being honest with them, you demand that white man lowers the standards for blacks.

Dr. Braun's had black girlfriends for the last 20 years odd. Spends plenty time with black folk having very blunt conversations (unlike your PC crap)... Here another excerpt from his book which is filled with stories such as this:

I had a conversation (September 1989) with a black woman who was supposed to work for me on a Wednesday and only showed up two days later. Wednesday, she says – a (white) election day – was a ‘stayaway’: if the ‘comrades’ saw you coming from town you would be beaten. Was it true that women were made to walk naked down the street? Yes, she said; they could also cut off your ear, and say ‘Give this to your mas¬ter; you don’t listen to me!’.

These people, she said, wanted freedom in town (‘white’ Johannesburg), but in the townships they beat any¬one who ‘disobeyed’. In other words, they want to be treated (by whites) as whites treat each other – under the rule of law – but quickly forget about these ‘freedoms’ where they hold sway.

So why is everyone saying blacks want black rule? Well, she said, they would like to ‘share’ it. But once these thugs get a taste of power they will want it all. She laughed; ‘of course’. Then why does everyone keep saying that blacks want a black government? It was the same fear, she said, that makes them afraid to violate the stay¬away.

I asked if she’d ever had such a conversation with any white man before. She laughed again. ‘No, no.’ Nor would she have it with blacks. The media reports millions of blacks protesting (white) elec-tions because they couldn’t vote, when the reality – as the media must know – is that they are simply terrorized.

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

About Ciskei.. Abathembu's support Secession; ‘Things Much Better Under Apartheid...’?

Excerpt from: Why is the Transkei collapsing? An open letter from Mbulelo Ncedana to Nelson Mandela:

I subsequently attended a community meeting on 28/12/09 where we received a report of the situation in the area from the headman..... I heard things I thought I'll never hear again; old people, with rheumy eyes, saying things were much better under the Bantustan government.....

.... In our town of Umtata, the former capital and our pride, robots are forever not working because there's hardly any electricity most of the time; those that work are dysfunctional causing many to make accidents. As the results no one follows the traffic rules any longer.

Potholes are like dongas in the suburban areas. The twenty five litre plastic containers have become a necessary household material because the availability of water, in town, is arbitrary.

I ask what went wrong? During the time K.D. Mathandzima was the Prime Minister, and even during the military tenure of Bantu Holomisa, the town was very beautiful, fully maintained and clean. People had jobs. Then factories that created them closed down after 1994, because they were no longer subsidized and so could no longer cope with the competition from China, India, etc.

.... In conclusion, tata, I hope my letter does not upset you too much, but sometimes we need to take toll and assume responsibilities for our failures. We've failed our people. There's no other way of looking at it. I don't see the bunch that came after you doing things better, instead things seem to be going from bad to worse.

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The Rooster said...

I responded to all of those questions with great ease. If you're going to quote me out of context then I'll refrain from commenting on your blog. I'm not here to be bukkaked over with stupid while you lot have your circle wank.

I think a child could debunk those comments. A retarded mute child could debunk the myth of Apartheid being something beneficial and desirbale to black people. But run along. Why you guys have such a hard on for a fucked up system that fucked up this country and the relationships between the people I have no fucking idea.

Anonymous said...

Wow Rooster. Do you want a lolly with that. Grow up and act like and adult! There is no need to act like a little child and have a fit, and name calling. Just goes to show what type of person you really are!

Anonymous said...

Oh and by the way, no one said that Apartheid was right or desirable to black people. You are doing exactly what you say people on the blog are doing... quoting you out of context.
Another thing I'm sure that your wonderful ANC is prompting unity by openly signing "kill the boer"... suppose AA/BEE just wasn't doing it. Just a food for thought as to why there is perhaps more racism in South Africa today than there ever was before (and yes I know that you will go to great extents to deny this Rooster).

Anonymous said...

Rooster, just explain to me again how nelson mandela managed to be a practising lawyer in johannnesburg in the 60s under the oppressive apartheid government? Surely black people were not allowed such jobs nor were they given adequate education to have such a career in the oppressive apartheid era. the fact remains that he was but it is very difficult to reconcile it with the rubbish you have been brainwashed with.

Trey Cruz said...

I cannot figure out why you people waste time on this "rooster" gentleman; he is obviously a contrarian troll who feeds off the attention.
Which is not entirely a bad thing.
What is bad is that none of his arguments are particularly clever and his prose is pedestrian and vulgar.
It is considered a trueism that you can judge people by the quality of their enemies: If this is indeed so, then perhaps you folks need to do some self appraisal with an eye to attracting a more intelligent, stylish and urbane opponent.

The Rooster said...

Every single comment here contains a insult against my character or midset. And I'm making strawman arguments ?

lol. I'll think I'll remove myself from what's becomming a couple of guys making lame insults and high fiving each other to avoid the debate.

FreeThinker said...

Should Rooster not remove himself as indicated, I for one won't tolerate his insults to others here any longer.

It's a waste of time giving him opportunity to express himself - we have seen time and time again what he does with it.

alleluja said...

The Rooster said at 16:58 on 13 October 2010 (and I hope he sticks to it)

lol. I'll think I'll remove myself...

Yayy!! Yeesss! Please bugger off and go do something useful for the zots you love so much...

Anonymous said...

"lol. I'll think I'll remove myself from what's becomming a couple of guys making lame insults", this after you made comments such as "I'm not here to be bukkaked over with stupid while you lot have your circle wank." or " Why you guys have such a hard on for a fucked up system that fucked up this country and the relationships between the people I have no fucking idea.". A case of the pot calling the kettle black I think! Grow up! If you cannot provide a valid debate you simply resort to petty name calling and insults and then you have the audacity to complain people are insulting you! You fit in well with the current ANC regime... its perfectly acceptable for you to perform actions yet complain when other do as you do.

Viking said...

Yes, well, the Chicken has now extended his contempt to European countries - and Australia - as well. I think popular opinion on here says No More Rooster.

Piet said...

@The Rooster

"Every single comment here contains a insult against my character or midset.

Every single one? How about Jim Bean's?

Are you, in any case, any more tolerant towards those that have the "wrong" mindset for you, those that are "nostalgic", denounce corruption, BEE, AA, think that there is more to life than just profiting "from the growing middle class" in SA and either want to leave SA (there are many richer countries after all or want their culture and language protected in SA)?

"And I'm making strawman arguments ?"

Well, there are rather simple arguments (simplistic even sometimes) and not very well documented.

You never answer pointed questions: how is the 154 % increase in per capita earnings possible when GDP grew only 3 % per year and the population more than 1,5 % ? How much credibility can thus be given to that SAIRR "survey" (!) you so easily point to. How was it conducted? Silence from your part despite asking several times to come with some explanation.

Where did you read in the SA Stats document that the white population had grown by 100 000 last year ? Where in the PDF ?

No answers, and then those predictions that if Apartheid still existed there would not have been any mobile phones for instance !

As if phone did not exist before in SA during Apartheid ! As if cell phones aren't excellent tracking device which should fit with your caricatural vision of what SA was 16 years old.

You are really not helping yourself.

Exzanian said...

I'm with Island Shark and Viking. The Rooster has been roasted (and kudos to Piet for largely contributing to that) but it's becoming tedious to read the back and forth one upmanship. My teeth are getting that same gritty feeling as with reading BC's bleeding heart diatribes.It's time we sent Rooster (that cunt plasm he is) back where he came from...

Anonymous said...

Your sources are Andrea Murrtheyn and Mike Smith? Does not say much about the so-called "facts". How can anyone take this blog seriously?

Viking said...

Anonymous, how will anyone take you seriously when you can't even come up with a fake name to comment with?

Andrea Muhrrteyn said...

Isn't it interesting how Rooster maligns black people's views. He thinks blacks are so unworthy of their own opinion, that he will decide for them what their correct opinion should be.. and this he calls 'friendship'! With friends like that poor blacks don't need enemies!

Yosef Lapide, of Tel Aviv newspaper Ma’Ariv’s (HT Mike Smith) on liberal hypocrisy during apartheid:

Well, the so called liberated African states are, with a few exceptions, a bad joke and an insult to human dignity. They are run by a bunch of corrupt rulers, some of whom, Like Idi Amin of Uganda, are mad according to all the rules of psychiatry. I feel unburdened when I say this; I wanted to say this all these years, and all these years I had the feeling that we fool the public when, for reasons of diplomacy, we do not tell them that the majority of black African states are one nauseating mess.

The lowliest of Negroes in South Africa has more civil rights than the greatest Soviet author. The most oppressed negro in South Africa has more to eat than millions of Africans in “Liberated” countries. The people advocating “progress”, who were so worried about the rights of the majority in South Africa, have never raised their voices for the majority in Hungary or in Cuba, in Red China or in Egypt. In half a dozen states-including Ethiopia-thousands of persons die every day of hunger, while the rulers travel by Cadillac and steal food that is being sent to aid their subjects.

Only in the sick minds of “progressives” do the babies die of starvation with a smile on their lips, because the ruler who starves them to death has a black skin