Monday, June 22, 2009

America’s Black Hitler on South Africa

Guy White says: In what way is he different from Adolf Hitler? He doesn’t have the power that Hitler had and the blacks aren’t as competent as the Germans, so they couldn’t pull it off.

But what this guy wants to do is no different. And he was a widely respected black leader – just look at the reaction of his audience.

Doberman says: This shit boils my blood. This dumb fu*k (dead now, lucky for him) was a leader in two black nationalist groups. This is crude extreme black racism yet society gives them a pass. Why?

No matter, I say bring it on! We've heard this shit before. We've seen it, we've heard it, we've smelt it. The chanting, yelling, the charging at us whites, we survived it all. St. Mandela even sang about killing white South Africans. But we're still here. You want a fight black man? Stop talking. Call it. Let's get with the killin'.





48 Opinion(s):

Black Coffee said...

Now here I have to take issue with the tone of your comments. No one is calling for the killing of whites except for a few extremists like the dead Khalid Abdul Muhammad. As for Mandela, unfortunately I do not know enough Xhosa, but I have read elsewhere that it is a deliberate mis-translation (if there is such a word) to say that they were singing about killing whites, and that they were actually saying something else. But I am first to acknowledge that there are black extremists on both sides of Atlantic - that is in US and in South Africa who call for killing of all whites, killers of Amy Biehl and APLA members who killed people at St James church come to mind. However, they are the minority. And yes, people like myself sometimes have and do give them somewhat of a pass because black racism is partly a response to white racism which has a long history, again on both sides of the Atlantic. Look at the numbers of whites vs numbers of blacks in South Africa. If all or most blacks thought the way Khalid Muhammad talked about whites would have no chance. Whites on both sides of the Atlantic - again in both SA and US should thank their lucky stars that most blacks are in fact so forgiving despite the atrocities that forefathers of today's whites inflicted on forefathers and foremothers of blacks, again both within South Africa and US.

Andrea Murrhteyn said...

How brave of you Doberman! While you sit in Australia! How quaint!

Joe King said...

This sounds like the rantings of another misinformed nigga that was jilted by a "WAHIITE" women. Great to hear he is dead, if i have the opportunity, I would like to dig him up and kill his black nigga ass again, 'cause he "no" die hard e'nugh, know what i'm saying, dig i, brudda!

Anonymous said...

...and your point Andrea?

Andrea Murrhteyn said...

What part of it didn't you understand Vanilla?

Anonymous said...

@ Andrea, your point? You don't think I have interests in SA? My family is still there. That I don't travel back and forth? That I won't return if I had to? Did you miss the gist of my response to this black bastard? I had a close friend shot between the eyes. My wife and eye and babies were shot at. I survived three attempted hijackings. Yes, I'm pissed off. You handle it the way you want to, I take shit like this very personally.

Anonymous said...

@Andrea. I am surprised you never quoted from somebody else's works. So I gather you are stirring for a fight, especially after being told off recently by UG. You are not going to get one from me, but you are welcome (in the name of brutal honesty) to start another blog site.

Anonymous said...

@BC. You need to get off your pious soap box. You recently revealed to me that you are of Russian (Ukrainian) descent. My you must live with some nasty demons. I suggest you explore why it is that your brethren murdered so many millions in the name of communism.

Anonymous said...

@BC. I have reflected on your comments a bit more, and fuck you. How dare you come to this site and write unsubstantiated shit. Prove that blacks that seek the destruction of whites are a minority. How dare you make axiomatic claims that whites committed appalling atrocities, because according to you white racism is self-evident. In the name of brutal honesty why don't you tell this audience that you happen to own a porno sites, that you have twisted fetishes to help you get your rocks off. Come on, show us your true character, you warped communist hypocrit.

Black Coffee said...

VI - first I no longer own any porn sites. Whether I do or not has nothing to do with the topic. You have not presented anything other than an emotional reaction which would refute what I said. The proof that blacks that seek the destruction of whites are a minority? It's in the fact that whites in SA are still around. Go walk around Soweto, Alexandra and Thokoza as I did. The proof is all over for those who WANT to see it.

Anonymous said...

Fuck off Andrea.

Anonymous said...

@BC: You no longer OWN any porn sites?? You disgusting nerd. Go and jerk off somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

@BC what makes you think that it is a minority of blacks who want whites dead and not just a minority of blacks who are opening their mouths?

I have never found blacks to be forgiving. If they were so forgiving then tell me why Mandela sings about killing whites. Its not misquoted as you say - its spot on.

Amy Biehl was a liberal such as yourself. She paid the price for that liberalism with her life. I recall he father at the TRC hearing hugging the mielie mouth who murdered her. How pathetic I thought.

@Andrea, I have no problem getting onto a plane tomorrow morning if a civil war broke out in SA. What South Africa is doing now is limiting what you can do. You have to obey laws while others don't, much because of you liberal whites and your sense of white guilt. The day the gloves come off, make no mistake I would be more than happy to go back and kick ass.

It will come, G@d knows it will come.

Anonymous said...

@ anon 4:55 who said "The day the gloves come off, make no mistake I would be more than happy to go back and kick ass." Indeed. That's what I meant. And since this is a fight between me and the other side, I'll leave my wife and kids out of it.

I don't think we two are alone in this thinking. While we are outside, we survive. This way they can't pick us off one at a time. Like it says in the movie, we are the resistance, we serve by staying alive - and waiting.

FishEagle said...

VI, people have wasted too much time arguing with BC already, in my opinion. It’s good that you told him to fuck off. You shouldn’t have brought up the porn issue about BC though. You have warned others against ad hominem attacks in the past, which I appreciated.

Anonymous said...

@Fish Eagle: That's right, play the ball, not the man. Personally I'd rather BC buggered off and had his balls tickled elsewhere.

FishEagle said...

@Dachshund. Lol

Anonymous said...

Ha ha girls, and you are correct, I don't like ad hominem attacks, but I also believe in walking quietly with a big stick. I am not prepared to have BC come here, with his pious attitude, limited intellect and repetitive dogma, trying to hammer away at crap. He needs to understand very clearly that the price he will pay, will be to expose what he does for a living, the type of literature that he disburses and the atrocities that his ethnic group committed. You cannot hold a position of moral high ground when you haven't made full disclosure, and readers need to place this character in context.

Black Coffee said...

VI and Dach - everyone needs to try to make a living. This is totally off-topic, but since you brought it up I tried to own a porn site as the adult business is big business, while at same time I held down a job for hourly wages. I have continuously worked for wages. I have nothing to do with what the likes of Stalin did, unlike what you are insinuating. And yes, I can see that when you have nothing to come back with you resort to personal attacks. But that's Ok, because you know nothing about me. My family is from Ukraine of Jewish background. Immigrated to US in 1979 in order to have a better life for themselves and me. I do not distribute any literature yet. I see that the problem is, back to topic, just like one of my black SA friends told me over phone, most whites still have not acknowledged the atrocities of apartheid. I admit that apartheid never reached the level of oppresiveness of Stalinism, and did not even come close to it. Mandela himself admitted that during apartheid there were always fair-minded judges who thought independently. There was no such thing in Stalin's Soviet Union. That said, apartheid was very oppressive to blacks. Failing to acknowledge what really happened in past hinders moving forward in future. But maybe best impact I can make is to teach young South African college students, black and white, their true history.

Anonymous said...

@BC. Not quite. No topic can be debated in isolation. Don't try and justify making a living by exploiting white women, through pornographic websites, which have a well documented social price. At the same time, you rebuke and attack white South Africans for something you have no understanding of. You are a hypocrit. Moreover, your family are of Russian descent, and for all we know could well have been a part of the oppressive Communist aparatus, that slaughtered its own citizens in the millions. I am afraid it is meaningless that you were not a part of the old Russia. Look at the damage inflicted on the world. There is no debate about the atrocities committed by you and your ilk. As for Apartheid, a policy of segregation isn't even in the same arena. Finally, as for distributing lewd material. Does the title "Fisting and God's Will" ring any bells? If not, I will gladly supply your email address from where it was distributed. As for you being Jewish, that must disgust many of your faith. Sources tell me you have been shunned anyway.

Black Coffee said...

I do not care what email you had I never distributed such material. I am beginning to doubt that you even have a PhD as you claim you do or that you are an ex-cop. But if you are, you worked for the old regime so no wonder you try to dumb it down, make it seem better than it was. It won't wash with me nor with millions of black South Africans who years ago woke to what apartheid really was. That's what people like you can't stand.

Anonymous said...

@ BC, "But if you are, you worked for the old regime so no wonder you try to dumb it down, make it seem better than it was." C'mon, and you say you're working towards a PhD yourself? We are "dumbing down" the old regime..? What does dumbing down apartheid mean?

Ok, maybe wrong choice of word. Happens.

So what do you know about apartheid? No, really, what personal experience have YOU, Greg B, a Jew from Ukraine, a Yank in Cincinnati have about apartheid itself? Stop talking through "other people", what they said, tell me what you know personally. For every black that says apartheid was bad, I'll find you two that say the opposite.

And how do know what "millions" of blacks thought about apartheid? What do you think they think about the present regime?

What good is "freedom" when your kids are starving? What good is having a vote if it is worthless and you live your life in squalor only to have it mercifully ended by a bullet or Aids by age 50?

BC, don't regress dude. The picture of old South Africa is far more complex than you've read and we've LIVED. I know one or two of the other moderators want to shut you out and so far I'm holding out but now you need to convince me. Tell me when you will provide me with that special project we spoke about. Come on. Tell us Saffas, all of us, people who've lived their entire lives in SA, what it is that Greg B the Jew yank knows so much better than us.

Viking said...

@Doberman
you raise an interesting point, one that has been on my mind. What's a vote worth?
Let's say you could have either a job, or a vote. But not both. What would we choose? that's the choice that was faced by many Africans in the 60s although they didn't always see it like that. Russians in the 1990s faced the same question. For years after the end of Communism, millions of poor Russians were begging (and voting) for its return.
Anyway, for what it's worth I think Black Coffee's views should not be considered in isolation. his opinions are quite mainstream in fact, and as such cannot be "banned".
The reason why whites have not been exterminated by blacks in South Africa is because they need us, however reluctantly. In Zimbabwe they decided they didn't need whites, and set about exterminating them. And now they are starving.
The way I have felt since seeing on the news recently the ANC's attempt to remove the federal system, purely to take back the Western Cape and hold on to their power, under the weak pretence of "improving service delivery", I would happily fight for this province if required.

Anonymous said...

Poor Greg.
He really is the village idiot.
I enjoy his comments as incredibly stupid as they are.
I wonder why his thesis does not deal with black attitudes towards the USSR? Why pick on SA's whites?

Anonymous said...

@VI: It's partially true that BC is of Russian descent if you take into account that his grandmother was raped by Cossacks. I believe on the other side of the family, his Afrikaner mother was raped by the British, is that right? Lot's of rape going on in your antecedents. That's full justification for setting up a porn site showing white women being banged by blacks, not so? Those porn "stars" are your only black friends, BC. We all know you hate white women because they despise you. You would do anything to defile them. I would like to break your scrawny little Rooster neck, and cook you over burning coals with your PhD shoved up your arsehole and a hot poker skewered through to your tonsils.

Black Coffee said...

Doberman - you make some good points there actually. You are right - I never set foot in SA during apartheid. What I say about that period is based on my readings and on my interviews and conversations with blacks.
I will get back to that a little later. It seems we have allowed the comments to degenerate into personal attacks where VI says something than I say something in return. This blog is not about porn, but since VI brought it up let me say this. I did not violate any laws, everything was in compliance with 2257 - which is the law that basically states any models in any erotica must not be under 18. As for your statement about "exploitation of women" and "social price of online porn - well-documented" that is a matter of perceptions, opinion and differing moral standards. The fact is there is erotica all over the world and many connoisuers of it, male and female. I remember seeing "adult shops" in Johannesburg and Cape Town, where, as in most cities all over world, one can find black and white and male and female customers. But I have digressed enough and that is the last I will say about this issue, as this blog is not about porn.
My initial response obviously triggered a strong emotional response from VI and the question is why? Doberman - as for blacks who justify apartheid, there are as many black opinions as there are blacks. I suspect often these are emotional reactions to current problems like the ones you identify. The atrocities of apartheid are too numerous to go into now, but one of the most damaging aspects of it and the one resented by blacks, and rightly so, is how it psychologically denigrated or at least attempted to denigrate blacks as human beings until the Black Consciousness movement got blacks to reject their inferiority status. I shared with you in an email that if one goes back to 1976, the students who demonstrated and rioted in Soweto digested Black Consciousness ideas. They would not have done so, if those ideas did not contain a lot of truth in it and if the message of apartheid as oppressive was not a truthful message, which, of course, it was. By the way, I do not presume to speak for blacks, as Biko was precisely against white liberals presuming to speak for blacks. I simply present a slice of black opinion based on my conversations with a sample, admittedly a small one, and based on my readings. I am, contrary to what some may think, always open to changing my views if talk to more South Africans, both black and white. I hope to do so on future trips.
Viking - your arguments tend to be a bit more intellectual than some others and I like that. But I do not think the reason for not exterminating whites is that ANC "needs whites". I think rather it is that most black South Africans do not think of whites one way or the other, they are busy living their lives. I am not referring to the minority who are out there robbing and killing etc., but to the majority who work hard and go home every day. Actually, if you think about it, the message of Khalid Muhammad did not resonate with majority of blacks in SA then in 1994, and I do not think it would now. I do think many black South Africans, even law abiding ones, have gotten too complacent about the crime. I have a black friend in SA, the one who showed me around townships, who agrees with me on this. More on this later.
Finally - I do not know, Doberman, what I could teach Saffas as a "Jewish Yank from Ukraine", but hopefully I can teach them something as a human being. Recognizing that black South Africans are human just like you, no better but no worse, capable of the same idiocy, genius and mediocrity as "whites" would be a good start. It seems that some whites, perhaps many, want to deny this very basic reality because they find a psychological comfort in thinking that as "whites" they belong to a superior group of humans. Though nothing, in fact, could be further from the truth, the question is why do so many people cling to the comfort of supremacy.

Black Coffee said...

Dach - I should ignore your inane comment, but please do not talk about my family, especially my beloved, late grandmother. I know nothing about your family, so I do not talk about them, please do not talk about mine.
Thank you.

Anonymous said...

It isn't an original notion that blacks are conciliatory, merely by virtue of the fact that whites are still alive. It is a logical absurdity. I, for one, don't accept the argument that we have been spared because we are needed. These idiots cannot even put a decent spin on things. Suddenly, because they have tasted the good life, they think they have grown a pair and can do it better for themselves, just like a child wanting to pour his own glass of milk.

It is we whites that lend credence to their thoughts. We fool ourselves. They would never have achieved a seat at the round table if WE HAD NEVER PLACED THEM THERE. How dumb is that? For those that aren't taking note, we are being slaughtered in our thousands. More whites are murdered every year than were killed during SADF actions spanning decades. Blacks openly voice their hatred for whites, they despise everything we stand for, we are their achilles heel, their nemesis. They despise us, not because of racism or slavery, but because we represent everything they will never be. There is nothing that a black man fears more, than an angry white man. There will come a time, maybe not in my lifetime, when the whites will awaken from their stupor. This time around the blacks better beware, the world is rapidly getting tired of their shit.

Viking said...

@VI
there seems to have been surprisingly few reprisals against white people in SA, as in "revenge attacks"- compared to, say, the Balkans where it is quite common. Maybe this is evidence that things weren't really that bad during apartheid - I certainly think there's logic to this view.
I also agree that Black SA'ans aren't particularly "conciliatory" - revenge plays a big part in their culture for sure. And no doubt many younger blacks like to use apartheid as an excuse to commit violence against white people - and these are the ones that have no memory of it!
They chose the conciliatory path in 1994 because they had no choice - they wouldn't have been allowed to sit at the table without it, and without making promises that whites would be left alone. Promises they've broken, incidentally.

Viking said...

I need to emend my last comment to stress the word "relatively" - and in no way to imply that there have been FEW attacks on whites. there have been fewER than the most pessimistic forecasts ..

Anonymous said...

@BC: How like you to start lying when you are once again under fire. Erotica is most certainly NOT the same as hard porn. It's typical of a certain kind of Jew to want to exploit non-Jews when their society is in chaos. It's typical of a certain kind of Jew to want to cause that chaos in the first place so you can subsequently exploit the situation. You say you don't use people under 18 for your porn, but it's just another jump to the left to start luring street kids into your "business" if you aren't already doing so. "Hey, she said she was 18, I didn't know she was 12." And don't tell me they're carrying ID so you'd know. Please go back to Russia. Go anywhere, but get out of South Africa.

Anonymous said...

The Rooster said...
Ha ha ha ha


They sure are raging today ! Silly little muppets. They hate it when things don't go as badly as they hoped. Nasty little twats.

23 June 2009 12:20 PM
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Just in case you didn't know, BC and Rooster are one and the same person on killallwhitey.

Viking said...

@Dachshund
the plot thickens lol...

Anonymous said...

No I don't believe Rooster and BC are the same person. BC is way more articulate. Rooster is obsessed with SAS it seems. It defines his very existence.

Anonymous said...

As far as I know they are not the same person. One is in South Korea (or was) and the other is in the US.

Viking said...

@Black Coffee
thankyou for the compliment. When I first arrived in South Africa I too, as all foreigners do, sought to learn about SA history from a "black" perspective. What I learned from talking to local people, agrees with what you say, that most SA blacks have little consciousness of white people at all and ignore us most of the time and just get on with their lives.
I actually found that many of them would lie to me, having been used to telling the white man what he wants to hear, and many were reluctant to talk about it at all, and still more (but not so many) had some admiration for white people.
But I did discover after a while that the overwhelming feeling is one of resentment. That may be part of African culture, or it may be part of the Marxist propaganda that was so influential here, but there's a prevalent belief that those who have, have stolen it from those who have not.
They don't seem to understand that wealth has to be earnt, and as a result, the "give me" attitude is much stronger than the motivation to go out and work hard.
On the other hand the "psychological denigration" argument has been doing the rounds for a long time and I am still undecided about it.
I do know that slaves brought to America from Africa were remarkably passive, and they learned that passivity not from their white masters but while they were in Africa where slavery was a way of life.
On the other hand, it is hard for me to imagine what it would be like to be colonised, and to be considered a second class citizen. How are you able to relate to this?

FishEagle said...

@Black Coffee,

“……….but one of the most damaging aspects of it and the one resented by blacks, and rightly so, is how it psychologically denigrated or at least attempted to denigrate blacks as human beings………….”

That is a statement made in the context of your agenda as a “Jewish Yank from the Ukraine,” not in the context of the greater good of SA as a country. You have no claim of such an understanding and it makes things worse that you won’t acknowledge it. SA, black and white, see you as the enemy.

“….. I think rather it is that most black South Africans do not think of whites one way or the other, they are busy living their lives. ………… “


That statement is in contradiction to all the comments you’ve made about how whites own everything and blacks don’t own a thing.


“..if you think about it, the message of Khalid Muhammad did not resonate with majority of blacks in SA then in 1994, and I do not think it would now.”

I disagree with you and I live amonst blacks. I think my observations have more weight than the opinions you’ve gathered from your books, sitting a million miles away.

And yes, blacks have become complacent about crime.

“………but hopefully I can teach them something as a human being. Recognizing that black South Africans are human just like you, no better but no worse, capable of the same idiocy, genius and mediocrity as "whites" would be a good start….”

Whites, especially in SA are discovering that blacks are less intelligent. Deal with it.

“It seems that some whites, perhaps many, want to deny this very basic reality because they find a psychological comfort in thinking that as "whites" they belong to a superior group of humans. Though nothing, in fact, could be further from the truth, the question is why do so many people cling to the comfort of supremacy.”

I can only speak from a South African point of view and I have a great need for comfort, which has been lost since ’94. Even before then. Where I used to live in a world where achievement and morals were valued, I now live in a world sick with corruption….my experience, my friend!

FishEagle said...

@Viking,

“…I actually found that many of them would lie to me…….”

There is no way to convince someone in the first world of this fact when the first world has been brainwashed by the MSM to believe ONE thing only – the poor blacks, oh shame, ever the victims!

I am absolutely convinced the blacks have suffered from ‘psychological denigration’ and I don’t even think that it is in question. The only relevant question is how their low intellectual abilities will have an impact on their rate of recovery. “They are running things now” or so they will have you believe, so they are under greater pressure to recover .

Whites, in general, are too impatient with blacks because they believe that we are all equal. We just make the situation worse for blacks. Inevitably we want to jump in and save the day with our aid, training, bla, bla, bla….I don’t know how long it is going to take for whites to wake up but it seems that things are slowly starting to change. I don’t know, I might be optimistic.

Anonymous said...

@VI: Rooster wasn't talking about pestering SA Sucks. He's given up on SAS for the time being because he gets back more than he can give, which plays havoc with his brain order. So he looks for a softer target here. Anyone can dissimulate writing styles. Rooster used to be far more articulate than he currently is.

What a pratt you are Greg, for swallowing my half truth about your grandmother being Jewish and your mother Afrikaans. How could you be Jewish if your mother isn't/wasn't? So you walked right into it and burbled on sanctimoniously about the precious memory of your grandmother.

Oooh, you'd better go back to your own blog and delete some incriminating comments. Poor Greg has to marry a Jewish girl, but none will have him. Respectable Jewish girls marry actuaries and doctors, not balding pipsqueaks working on their PhD in pornography in their late '30s.

What a loser. I have nothing further to say on BC/Rooster/KillAllWhitey/Greg Berchenko. The subject bores me, it's too sordid and depressing.

Black Coffee said...

Dach - your comments reveal that you are a racist and anti-Semite, at least that is how you come off here. I am not currently in South Africa, but I do intend to come back and it is up to South African consulate and Department of Home Affairs whether I get to stay in SA longer than 3 months or not. It is not up to you. Finally, I and Rooster are definitely not the same, and I have had nothing to do with that blog for about a year now.
FishEagle - once again I made my comment about psychological denigration based on my discussions with and interviews of black South Africans, which admittedly was a small sample, approximately 50 people in Johannesburg-Soweto-Pretoria region. Most, though not all, of the people I interviewed/talked to had some amount of college education. I do not presume to speak for blacks, but I assume that they speak for the politicized ones. Though I disagree with your further assertion that we are not equal, I appreciate your comment as I need to consider whether my interviewees do in fact speak for politicized blacks and whether ones who are not so political perhaps have different opinions and perspectives.

Anonymous said...

There is a certain kind of unprincipled Jew who screams anti-Semitism if you criticise his bad behaviour in the same way that certain blacks bring out the race card when they do something stupid or illegal.

However, morality, like art, means drawing a line somewhere.

Viking said...

@Fisheagle
on the "psychological denigration" question - yes for sure it exists and has a strong effect. But surely, this "downtroddenness" makes people less daring, not more. And less likely to commit overt acts of violence, and more likely to commit petty crimes rather. The opposite is the case in SA, and this makes me think that this argument does not account for the hatred in SA.
There are a lot of people in Cape Town who still have that underclass mentality - calling white people "master" and "boss" and averting their eyes etc.

FishEagle said...

Nice to have a conversation that’s on topic again.

@Viking, you are absolutely right that this argument does not make the case for the racial hatred in SA.

That was BC’s conclusion, not mine.

You spoke of the underclass mentality that you’ve observed in Cape Town. I still see it too.

The black race experienced the oppression of apartheid. (That’s a fact. Whether it was for the greater good of society or not is up for debate. Personally I think it was.) Now they are experiencing a conflicting pressure from the international white community, which sees them as “better” than the whites. “The noble savages.” It has caused an enormous amount of confusion about the identity of their race and I believe that is the crux why there is so much violent crime in SA (and only in SA).

There is only one solution now that apartheid has GONE. Let things run their natural course. Whites from the international community with their liberal brainwashing in the MSM must FUCK OFF! Let the local populations in SA revert to their natural balance without pressure. Please, no more crappy articles like the one “Will W2010 bring South Africans closer.” There is the proof in that article of the fire being stoked by the international community.

Whites gave up power in 94 due to international pressure, probably against our will and despite the results of the ’92 referendum. As if that was not enough, we are now expected to embrace our fate of being slaughtered for the sake of the blacks. That expectation lies with the international white community only. Now maybe you can understand the chip on the shoulders of the average South African when it comes to the international community and why I imagine it is so tough for the whites that have left SA. Those whites must now embrace their new societies and I bet they must feel pretty darn conflicted.

Viking said...

@Fisheagle
you talk a lot of sense.

Viking said...

@FishEagle

I'm not sure BC is trying to justify racial hatred in SA, maybe just to explain. I don't think any of us deny the resentment that blacks feel for whites - and I for one never accept someone's culture as an excuse for bad behaviour, but the legacy of the past does have repercussions whatever those may be and it's in all of our interests to rectify them.
The question is how it's done. Certainly NOT by introducing racist policies like BEE, or the current government justifying its idiocy by blaming it on a minority of its citizens i.e. the ones that don't vote for them.
Only Marxists can justify theft and murder to "balance up" a broken society. no other culture can do so.
There are ways of righting the past. Providing equal opportunity is one. That's OPPORTUNITY- not the instant-equality that is favoured by lazy politicians eager to sidestep difficult problems.
No political system can justify brutalising an ethnic minority in the name of equality.

O, wait. Marxism does.

Black Coffee said...

Dach - you do not know anything about my behavior, so all of your talk about it is meaningless.
Fish Eagle - I would take issue with apartheid having been for greater good of society. Had SA gotten rid of it earlier it would be better off, IMHO based on my historical research. If you and Viking think about it, though apartheid was not communist, it was far from laizzes-faire capitalism, with lots of state intervention in economy and parastatals. Viking - the idea of SA's AA program is to provide equal opportunity. I do not know enough about BEE and have not seen research on it. I have skimmed a paper that the F W DeKlerk foundation put out in 2005 which endorsed BEE - you could probably find this document through a Google search.

FishEagle said...

@ Viking. “The question is how its done.”

BEE and AA’s aim is to provide equality, NOT equal opportunity, as you pointed out. The only political system that may provide equal opportunity is a meritocracy. I’m sure the black race will suffer under such a system but it’s up for debate, which groups will suffer. Women may also suffer, which includes the group that I belong to. Such a system, however, may encourage individuals to rise above their stereotype because achievements would be rewarded according to merit only.

This is about politics, not intelligence, wealth, status or whatever else people value. Therefore merit should be awarded to POLITICAL value only. That begs the question, how does one measure political value? What is the aim of politics and how does one determine the degree to which such political targets have been achieved? A democracy acknowledges popularity only, which is about as bizarre as assigning the fate of a nation to an Idols winner. Not sure what communism acknowledges – strong arm tactics?

The answer lies somewhere with the successful implementation of the vision for the nation. That is the aim of politics. Who are the people that are able to identify the vision for a nation and then, very importantly, able to implement that vision? How does one identify such people? Surely it must be possible to do this.

FishEagle said...

There is a possibility that I may also become one of those people that try to find a better future outside of South Africa, in a first world country. I would have a problem though, because I would have no motivation to contribute to such a society, for the sake of the society alone.

I will probably make a contribution only because of my raw hatred of blacks. My logic that if I strengthened the first world white community, is they will be in a more powerful position to fuck up the blacks in South Africa. Maybe I’ll even support the propaganda war against South Africans consciously and make blacks feel REALLY special….”Yes guys, of course we are ALL equal!”

I will need to make it clear to my loved ones in South Africa that they need buckle up for the rough ride. Prepare for the onslaught from the blacks. I will have to survive on faith that they will be ok.