Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Table of Contents of Boerestaat by Robert van Tonder.

Not too long ago I found a few images online of an English version of the notable book Boerestaat by long time Boer Republican activist Robert van Tonder. Robert van Tonder was the son of one of the Boer commandos who voted to continue the Anglo-Boer War. He later left the National Party in 1961 in order to advocate for the restoration of the Boer Republics in order to reacquire Boer self determination which was surrendered in 1902 with the signing of the Vereeniging Peace Treaty. Van Tonder observed that the declaration of the Republic of South Africa in 1961 was a "betrayal" of the Boer Republics & that the RSA was a threat to Boer identity. After failing to get the other political parties to consider the notion of reinstating the Boer Republics, van Tonder founded the Boerestaat Party in 1986 & wrote a book of the same name outlining his vision. Robert van Tonder died on August 4 1999 after a long battle with cancer.





This book sounds very interesting as it expresses a long suppressed Boer Republican outlook.

39 Opinion(s):

Ron. said...

Great to see that this blog is back once again. I was afraid that it was gone for good. I gathered that it had something to do with Rooster. That's troubling that one antagonist poster can have so much power.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys. What did the Boers ever achieve to give you such a hard on for them ? Really we're not talking about an important group of people like the acient greeks or romans, we're talking about a few guys with crap beards who went on a long walk. Big whoop. Who even cares enough to want to know anything about them ?

Pensioner said...

It's great to see the blog is up and running again. Long may it expose the truth that is South Africa today!

Anonymous said...

The Boere gave us biltong! Long may their blessing be upon this earth, they and their seed are the last remaining salt in an otherwise dark and forboding country just south of Zim...Boere for life!

Anonymous Bosh

Anonymous said...

Whats happening to watch this space????

ChickenLicken said...

@ Anon 7:24 - Just a little while longer...

Ron. said...

Well speak of the devil. Anon 4:35 sounds exactly like Rooster. Either that or Mike Smith. They both sound so eerily alike when it comes to the topic of the Boers with the only difference being that Smith lionizes a political based one dimensional & static notion of "Afrikaners" [ whom the Boers must submit to ] while Rooster rather dislikes Afrikaans speakers in general & even most people in general too. It's bizarre how both disparage the Boer people so much complete with vulgar language yet spend so much time attacking one another.

Well whoever this Anon poster is I would point out that disparaging them is not a legitimate counterpoint nor regarded as meaningful input on the topic.

Furthermore: the so called "long walk" was part of the first freedom struggle in Africa of a local people to get out from oppressive Colonialism. I know you [ whether you are Rooster or Smith ] will retort with the typical "har har Ron: 'freedom struggle'? 'oppressive Colonialism'? ] because you do not like to admit that the Boers were ever oppressed by Colonialism in general & that the Great Trek was a reaction against it & in many ways was a from of political secession.

Rooster would have us believe that the Boers should have allowed themselves to have been Anglicized & to have put up with British oppression & Smith would have us believe that the Boers were living in "harmony" with the Cape Dutch [ whom the Boers were 150 miles away from! ] & committed the crime of "division" [?] [ the Boers were divided from the Cape Dutch since circa 1700 ] when they decided to trek north. He even had the nerve to claim that the Boers "were Cape Dutch who trekked" when hardly any Cape Dutch trekked as it was overwhelmingly the Boers of the frontier that trekked.

I would reverse your question & put it to you. How does the humble existence of the Boers negate their inherent right to freedom & why would that justify ignoring them as a people or a phenomenon of interest? I have seen far more coverage of much less "achieving" [ whatever that means & why would it be a prerequisite to covering a group ] people by historians / biographers so your logical fallacy that they are not "important" due to an alleged "lack of achievement" is moot / debunked & just plain not valid.

Anonymous said...

I was just saying they're not very interesting to spend topic after topic writing about like you do. The rest is you projecting. I don't think many people are rather ambivalent about what happened over 100 years ago and really don't see the relevance in today's context.How you define yourself is hardly going to make anyone lose sleep one way or another. You're free to write about what you want but I doubt there's actually much interest in the topic. You're rubbing in a mute point to god knows what agenda.

Anonymous said...

Excellent retort Ron!

I am glad to have you guys back again, was tough going cold turkey without my daily I Luv SA injection.

For future reference, if you guys get shut down for good, where can we follow your writings?

Back to the topic... I've been looking for Boerestaat by Robert van Tonder all over the place and came up with nothing! WHERE can I get my hands on this book in Afrikaans or English? I must have it!

Ron. said...

Considering the fact that you find just about anything posted on this blog " not very interesting" - no one wastes time taking your narrow OPINION into account. The notion that any topic "is not very interesting" is after all simply a narrow OPINION as there are many who do find very interesting the topics I & others post about. Which begs the question: if you hate this blog so much & try so hard to get rid of it, then why the hell do you spend so much time on it at all? This is not very logical because if you dislike the articles here so much why would you waste time posting an opinion most people will just ignore? If we want to talk about projection than you only have to look in the mirror! I think it is clear that you project all of YOUR own faults & inadequacies onto peoples & topics you disdain.

The events of 100 years ago shaped the very macro State that you insist we must worship. Those events led to the political consolidation of diverse national groups & lumped them under a single administrative umbrella. Those old events led to the largest centralization of power within Southern Africa. So the notion that those events are irrelevant to today is erroneous & a total spurious argument.

There actually is great interest in this topic but I would post on it regardless simply as a matter of principle as well as for educational purposes. Look I know that you like repeatedly obscuring information concerning the Boer people & constantly infer that discussing them is "driving people away" from the blog [?] [ it actually helps to draw people to the blog ] [ as if you care about the very blog you tried to silence! ] because this is just another trick in your bag at attempting to cover up certain truths you do not like being reported on. Therefore it is clear that you serve an agenda as anyone can see by the numerous posts & articles you have posted. The only "agenda" I have here is simply to educate folks about a people the propagandists have misrepresented & conditioned us to have a narrow one dimensional view of. This incomplete view therefore demands to be addressed. I was nominated for this task simply because others recognized that I actually spent some time researching & reading up on the topic.

Anonymous said...

Do you have it in a PDF?

Dachshund said...

Hi Ron., Islandshark and Mike Smith are both personae of Bert Oosthuizen.
Same person. I Luv SA has been hijacked by Bert. You don't believe me? How do you know anything about Islandshark at all? Unless you have personally met him.

ChickenLicken said...

I see my trusty old lapdog is here!

Well done Dachs. One for the insane left field!! Whoaaa!

RID (Rooster In Disguise)

Dachshund said...

Hi Bert. I think I'll have this blog taken down as well seeing that you're on it.

Islandshark said...

@ Dachshund - I thought you never threatened to take down ILSA? Yet, once again, you start your crap here.

Now that your demented friend has run out of sick ideas on his own blog, you come pester us here.

You were chased away like, well, like a dog from the old SAS site for the crap you spewed there. Just like Rooster for always attacking contributors and using the most offensive language.

This is not the first time you have threatened us or attempted to implicate us with something we have no involvement in.

Now kindly piss off.

Ron. said...

Dachshund. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! That nonsense just makes me laugh! You have lost whatever credibility you ever had because I know for certain that IslandShark is not Mike Smith simply because when Mike Smith attacked me like crazy here in 2010 under the name Afrikaner [also in 2009 & since but I did not crack Afrikaner's identity until earlier this year when Smith confirmed it himself under one of his Pandora's Box articles ] Islandshark was among one of my most fiercest defenders! If they were really the "same" person then they / he would be Schizophrenic to say the least.

Furthermore Islandshark has long since periodically e-mailed me in SUPPORT of my work of which Mike Smith HATES! Smith told me to DELETE myself from the internet [ among other things ] Therefore Islandshark & Smith can not be more different. [ at least on the issue of Boer identity / history etc. ] I have seen enough from both to be certain that they are not the same person.

I think you are only saying that Smith & he are the "same person" simply because Islandshark likes to post a lot of Smith's articles. I can not stand Mike Smith [ because of his bellicose attitude & his misrepresentation of basic facts & of myself as well - ie: he attacks me with straw man arguments ] even though he sometimes does a great job exposing the corruption of the ruling regime.

Now that I think about it: I wonder if you were the Anon poster who hilariously claimed that Mike Smith was Piet Rudolph a while ago of all people! This is hilarious because Rudolph is a well known supporter of Boer identity while Smith of course totally denies that it even exists & simply does not support Rudolph's goal.

Furthermore: I doubt your contention that Bert Oosthuizen is supposedly Mike Smith because they had different writing styles - though certainly similar rage outbursts, but their outlooks were different enough for me to seriously doubt that they too are also supposedly the same person.

Dachshund said...

Ron., you don't understand how a psychopath's mind works. It's all a game to Oosthuizen, whether you have a Boer republic, or an Afrikaner republic, he could not care less. He pretends to support both arguments under different aliases. If you look for similarities between Mike Smith and Bert Oosthuizen's writings, they are easy to spot. The dissimilarities are carefully inserted, so that you get a sense of Mike Smith being a very eloquent English writer but who makes grammar and spelling "blapses" that are inconsistent with his level of knowledge of English. Do not give your cell number to Islandshark because you will be harassed like you wouldn't believe.

Anonymous said...

@Dachshund
too much of the old nose candy can make one a little bit paranoid...well, so a little birdy whispered to me anyway.....

Islandshark said...

@ Lapdog - It's IS / MS / UG / JE here.

I wonder what we will find if we had to analise you and your little group of cohorts?

You think that you can spew your nonsense all over the net and that nobody has actually met the people you villify. Or that nobody knows your pathetic little history and false accusations.

Has the thought crossed your mind that I may have already spoken to Ron or that we might actually know each other?

Or am I now Ron too?

Johnny English

Dachshund said...

Very poor attempt at making it look like you can't spell analyse and vilify. Johnny English se gat.

Ron. said...

Dachshund. Odd that you go all out & use the word "psychopath" when others have used that word to describe YOUR behaviour. Particularly your vindictive harassment of other bloggers. Teaming up with Rooster just to attack bloggers says it all.

As far as I can tell Mike Smith probably does not even support an Afrikaner Republic let alone a Boer Republic because his angle is to support the generic consolidation of local White peoples in general who must "move" to the Western Cape & petition for the independence of that region. This option was talked about as far back as a couple of decades ago but took off as a concept when it was promoted by Jan Lamprecht of African Crisis [ let me guess: he's Mike Smith / Oosthuizen too? ] then later picked up by Smith & also others who started a Cape Independence political party. Smith does appear to pay lip service to the notion of a Volkstaat but since that concept is wrapped up in the notion of an Afrikaner & hence totally compromised from the start by inherent establishment control & direction: it has no chance of going anywhere nor of achieving authentic independence & sustainable self determination.

I do not think you understand or appreciate the dangerous Smithian dynamic of promoting the Afrikaner designation & denying the longer established Boer identity because it automatically prevents & sabotages the Boers' long running independence struggle [ which predates the rise of the so called Afrikaners which got started out of a language rights movement among some Cape Dutch intellectuals when most Boers were already long since independent within internationally recognized Boer Republics ] & forces them to yield to the ANTI-independence oriented Afrikaner establishment. It is not a matter of struggling to have either an Afrikaner Republic or a Boer Republic. It is about preventing any sort of republic from emerging by continuing to condition the Boers that they are just part of the Afrikaners as a whole which stymies any attempt at Boer self determination [ no matter how strong the movement could be as was noted during the 1940s ] & the emergence of a republic because this allows the Afrikaner establishment [ who are opposed to republican independence ] to represent & speak on behalf of ALL Afrikaans speakers in general.

This would be like arguing for Scottish independence but under the name "British" thus ceding authority to the majority of Britons who are opposed to Scottish independence. The notion of struggling for an Afrikaner Republic is about as relevant as struggling for a British Republic. The Scots want independence more than the average Briton just as the Boers want independence more than the average Afrikaners.

The struggle even goes beyond Afrikaner vs Boer but rather to pro independence vs pro status quo / pro macro State. The Afrikaner establishment has a lot tied up in the continued existence of the status quo which is why they work so hard at preventing the restoration of the Boer Republics as it would represent a threat to their position.

Dachshund said...

Ron., I don't think there are enough Boers who are prepared to fight off the Afrikaner view of a Volkstaat, so it's a no brainer, I'm afraid there is never going to be a Boer republic again.

Mastercard said...

WTF? Did I miss a trick here or what? Suddenly Dach is back here chatting up old friends?

Dach, if you haven't got the message yet -ROOSTER IS GONE- and so are you by aligning yourself with him (for no more noble a reason than to take pot shots at UG, just like the jilted girl who starts to date her ex boyfriend's best mate to make him jealous)

Shall I spell it out for you? You are a T-R-O-L-L that's it, that's your status...You're like a pilot fish hanging around a shark (apologies to I/S) with no home of your own.

Your little fling with Rooster has cost you a lot of friends and also earned you new enemies you never dreamed of. Now fuck off, go start your own blog.

Islandshark said...

@ Mastercard - There's no fun stopping these folks from continually shooting themselves in the foot whilst tying the rope around their own necks and jumping up and down on the wobbly chair.

Only reason. I promise you.

Mastercard said...

@ I/S

Dankie tog! Lyk my die pens welpie se kop is dik soos 'n baksteen, kyk hoe skelmpies probeer sy inglip....My fok!

Ron. said...

Dachshund. With a comment like that - a casual observer might think that YOU are Mike Smith. LOL! What you forget is that most of the folks who support the notion of a Volkstaat are generally from the Boer population group & that the Volkstaat notion is promoted for the specific purpose to SIDELINE the natural strength of the Boer Republicans who could have been a lot farther along to road to self determination by now if enough of them could have divorced themselves from the Afrikaner matrix / control grid.

The struggle for Boer self determination is much older & much more concentrated among the Boer population than the relatively new phenomenon of the struggle for so called Afrikaner self determination of which is a much harder concept to acquire considering the inherent forces & compromised leadership working against it & its more tenuous support within the general aggregate Afrikaans speaking population group. If too many Boers keep trying to find freedom under the Afrikaner designation / identification & following the Afrikaner's compromised & unworkable proposals then there REALLY will be no Boer Republic.

Furthermore the Afrikaners are viewed as a "minority" group which "arose" [ cobbled together as part of political mythology aimed at destroying Boer identity thus diluting Boer strength by lumping then in with the Cape Dutch ] generally AFTER the establishment of the macro State of South Africa. While the Boer people [ who are only about a third of the total White Afrikaans population ] on the other hand are a nation [ not just some minority which arose after the establishment of the State ] whose existence PREDATES not only the establishment of South Africa but even before the arrival of the British Colonial power which later established the State in the first place - no less after having conquered the Boers' internationally recognized independent Boer Republics.

Thus the Afrikaner [ Cape Dutch ] has no history or example of independence which acts to prevent anyone calling themselves an "Afrikaner" from getting anywhere while the Boer people on the other hand have a rich history of independence & its associated freedom struggles which are taken much more seriously within the Boer descended population.

Therefore asserting that a new Boer Republic will not one day manifest itself is to be ignorant of history because the history of the region has taught us that Boer Republics are a natural outgrowth of Boer self determination.

Dachshund said...

Well I hope that works out for you. Bye.

Mastercard said...

@ Dachshund

great exit, now never come back y'hear? Oh, and for the record, I am emphatically not Burt (UG) I'm just a good old

Blog Washer and Drain Unblocker TM

and you can regard yourself as simply part of my dissertation....

The Uhuru Guru said...

Denzin the depraved Daschund forgot to add (as she did elsewhere) that the incredibly multi-faceted, versatile and seemingly ubiquitous Islandshark / Mike Smith / Uhuru Guru / Bert entity is indeed also Piet "Skiet" Rudolph!

Truth be told, the abovementioned entity is in all likelihood a shape-shifting lizard from the deepest reaches of space, on a mission to slay us pugilistic saffer bloggers.

But alas, let me not reveal too much - way too risky for a "dangerous criminal on the run from the serious charges" facing me in Arsezania...

Islandshark said...

Overload! Overload! Who is this?

The one and only...

Mastercard said...

As Rooster is still blogging on Mike Smith's blog and also allowing comments by Dachshund on his own (and refusing to publish mine) I thought I would publish my comments here if you gents would allow me the liberty:

COMMENT DISSALLOWED BY ROOSTER

Touche' Dachshund, could not have said it better than you:

"We don't want to live like kaffirs or among kaffirs, and are expressing it openly; it's not an underground movement as some right wing factions would lead you to believe."

http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2009/12/logic-of-enlightenment.html

Ever get the feeling you were just being used eh Roostie? For one who purports to believe in free speech, you sure are doing a helluva lot to protect Dachshund...What for?...No doubt you will refuse to publish this comment because you think it is only because it's being posted by Bert (UG)?

Pause to think about all the vile racism your follower has expressed very recently, and start understanding, she was using you to take pot shots at Bert (UG)

It's as short and sweet as that my bro...

Islandshark said...

@ Mastercard: It is that type of vile language you commented on that had me up in arms.

But when she was booted, it supposedly was because some of the other bloggers (including me) only wanted our opinions heard and not hers.

It is one thing to use shock tactics to get a message across, but quite another to throw racist remarks and vile language around willy nilly.

Dachshund said...

Hey Ron., you can't say I didn't tell you.

Ron. said...

Well Dachshund: I still rather doubt your dubious & no doubt self serving premise - namely because I know who Islandshark is but also because of their distinctly different personalities & even clashes. Furthermore what logical sense does it make to run a blog under more than one name? It is a handful to post articles under just ONE name. That problem alone would demonstrate that they are not the same person.

Dachshund said...

What sense does it make to run a blog under more than one name? To a rational, open person like yourself, none at all. But what about someone who is not open or rational, who sends his wife out to earn the daily crust so that he can spend all day putting up negative stories about South Africa because something happened there, something that he is directly accountable for, that he must constantly plaster over to avoid his culpability, which is constantly on his mind? It is a running sore that must be gouged open to get to the raw nerves beneath so that he might be able to feel, feel, feel. In order for him to feel, he must get others to fear, fear, fear. It is a constant circle.

Islandshark said...

Hey Dachs, ever heard of the term "useful idiot"?

Censorbugbear said...

I have the book on my shelves with Robert's correspondence and comments inside. If anybody is interested in copies of each page let me know: I will scan them and place them on my blog. We were good friends right to the very end.

Ron. said...

I know that I for one would be very interested that. This is a difficult book to find. Thank you if can post them on your blog at some point.

Ron. said...

Someone told me a while ago that he was hoping to / working to put the book into a .PDF format.