Friday, January 28, 2011

Mandela: Saint or Sinner?

VI posted the excellent article below on Mandela, giving you insight into details you won’t find in mainstream media.  Compare that to the video of this guy going nuts because a few South Africans have actually called the man what he is, now that he is frail and apparently sick in hospital.

Notice how he says that insensitive comments made will result in a bloodbath, because the father of the blacks are insulted.  Marxist indoctrination if you’ve ever seen it.  The victims are made to be the perpetrator of the crime.  The bloodbath will be the result of insensitive comments – not the murderous nature of savages.

Watch the video.  Then read the factual article by VI.  And decide for yourself who the nuts are.



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A recent posting on Invictus reflects a widely held myth, that Mandela is almost saint-like; in other words there is a hagiographic representation of the man. As one commenter suggested, this deserves a rebuttal.

This posting, as much as I would like it to be a definitive rebuttal, it isn't. But it is a start, and it provides source material for you to do some research for yourself, if you are so inclined.

I am not about to retrace Mandela's entire life. What I will show is that the image of Mandela is largely a Communist Party construct, and that he has been extraordinarily lucky (perhaps a black swan) in that he has been able to largely emulate the image that was created; he doesn't really have a track record, other than a mythological one. It is for this reason that the only movie they could make was Invictus. But does his relatively clean image make him a saint? No. He actively approved of the conduct of the ANC, which includes gross human rights violations, he has knowingly obstructed justice and he is complicit in the crimes committed by Thabo Mbeki, Robert Mugabe and others.


We've all seen the comments, "He forgave the whole of white South Africa", "Mandela won, Botha lost", "It is because of Mandela that the new South Africa has so much to celebrate", "His political theories should be required reading for all", "Because of him, South Africa is so far ahead of other African nations", "Mandela epitomises that dignity and determination lead to a better day", "He symbolises peace and reconciliation". The list is endless.

Nelson Mandela was convicted of treason in 1963/1964 and remained imprisoned until 1990. So, effectively he was removed from the management structure. Although he was probably kept abreast of strategic decisions (albeit with difficulty), and approved of certain deeds (the Church Street bombings), it is doubtful that he had a thorough knowledge of the daily minutiae. The ANC knew this, and given the international profile that Mandela had garnered, after two treason trials, they (together with the Communist Party) created the cult of Mandela.

It is my opinion that Mandela never truly had the power within ANC structures that we are lead to believe. It is probable that he was the ANC poster boy; the image of "peace and reconciliation" to the world. Perhaps he knew this, yet tried to play the part of ANC monarch, which may explain why he displayed a surprising political naivety, in his earlier speeches, upon release from prison. What is certain, is that Mandela never took any decisive steps, on any difficult issues. He didn't want to upset any comrades. Fortunately his advanced age allowed him to step down early and enjoy the rewards of an elderly statesman, despite him not really having a tested track record. Effectively he had served his purpose, and was pushed aside. Personally, I have always been indifferent regarding Mandela, believing that there are more sinister players to focus on.

The fact that Mandela played the 1995 Rugby World Cup to perfection, does not negate the fact that forces greater than he, had shaped the ANC and would dictate the true political nature of the new government. Mandela's game was a distraction. He may well have been sincere about reconciliation; but he never achieved any of the accolades bestowed upon him. If anything, the Communist Party/ANC were exceedingly successful at hoodwinking the public into buying into the whole Mandela cult, which persists today. But that doesn't mean because he may be a nice guy, who fought for a just cause, that he is deserving of the status he enjoys; much like Obama and his Peace prize. Mandela has been happy to have his name associated with the ANC, and for this reason it is important to examine the nature of the ANC, as well as some of the atrocities committed in their name, which they have actively sought to suppress. I am choosing to highlight atrocities committed against their own people, in an effort to show you that it never was about their people, democracy, human rights or freedom from tyranny. The other atrocities are legion, and well documented by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

A little known fact is that the ANC had "recruitment camps" in some of the neighbouring countries; they could be better described as death camps. One of these camps was called Camp Quadro. In 1990 it was revealed that the ANC had engaged in massive human rights violations at this camp, which forced Mandela to make an admission; "Unfortunately, it is true that some of these people that complained were in fact tortured."

Well, that was about as good as it got. The truth is, all of "those" people that complained, were "their" people. All of whom were tortured, and a lot more summarily executed. Importantly, it must be noted that Oliver Tambo stated that "In 1984 enemy agents managed to start a mutiny in our camp". This has remained as a common myth, and is frequently used to justify their ruthless behaviour. In fact, a mutineer Ketelo, stated that "The mutiny had to be understood as the workings of enemy provocateurs". The reality is far more disturbing.

The mutiny arose as a result of combatants, loyal to the ANC, becoming disgruntled at not being able to fight within South Africa, and the harsh conditions within the camp. The ANC had become paranoid, and perpetually trolled its ranks, seeking out illusory spies; whilst at the same time it would not tolerate any dissenting voices.

The mutineers insisted on meeting Oliver Tambo, to discuss their grievances. Tambo refused. The mutineers were ultimately rounded up, some were imprisoned without trial for up to 5 years, in appalling conditions (interesting given that the National Party was vilified for a similar practice of detentions without trial for up to 3 years). A very many were dehumanised, tortured and summarily executed; some for trivialities such as smoking marijuana.

The crux, of course, is that ANC supporters will say that the mistreatment and/or execution of a few hundred, does not equate to the humiliation and denial of opportunities imposed upon millions of black South Africans. Indeed, but it does reveal a mindset; one which South Africa has inherited, and one which is claiming victims in the tens of thousands.

The ANC conducted a secret enquiry into the mutiny, named the Stuart Commission report, where it was shown in detail, what the causes of the mutiny were. It was not enemy activity. It was gross mismanagement, paranoia and authoritarianism. The findings should have been discussed at the ANC conference of 1985, as was expected, but it was never tabled. When confronted about this, Chris Hani exploded that the NEC would not be dictated to, and that the Conference was subservient to the NEC. So, effectively democracy was crushed. No surprise there. The ANC leaders imprisoned, tortured and executed mutineers, knowing they were innocent of the smear of being enemy agents.

Many of the mutineers had believed in democracy, and had been products of the 1976 education uprising; they were not hardline Marxists like the ANC leadership. Well the ANC leadership quickly changed that view. The atrocities were largely meted out as a punishment for speaking out. This is the true nature of what South Africa inherited.

I am quite sure Mandela knew about these atrocities, but kept quiet because it was for the "greater good". Regardless, in 1990 Mandela was confronted by reality. He received an open letter from surviving mutineers. In response he convened a commission of enquiry, which produced the Skweyiya Commission report, the weakest of 3 reports. But its mandate was restricted. Mandela instructed investigations to probe complaints from living prisoners only. Therefore all disappearances and murders would receive no attention. This effectively exonerated the perpetrators. He did this deliberately. To date none of the perpetrators have been brought to justice. But some of the surviving mutineers have subsequently been assassinated.

Mandela accepted the findings, reluctantly, by stating "The ANC leadership acknowledged responsibility for not adequately monitoring and eradicating such abuses". A lie. The top leadership, all the way to Tambo, condoned and participated in the abuses, including Tambo, Modise, Slovo, Hani, Pahad, Zuma and others.
So we start to get the picture of our "saint". Let's not forget how quickly he distanced himself from Winnie, who had been embroiled in issues of her own, surrounding necklacings, torture and murder, which she must have shared with Mandela on her occasional visits.

It is my contention that Mandela is not a fool. He knew what was happening; his intentions may have been pure, but the scent of victory was so sweet that he was never going to "spoil the party". The only real victim here is democracy. If you think not, just look at how the ANC has responded to losing the Western Cape. Their game is about absolute power, a Stalinist type dictatorship, which is effectively what South Africa is getting. It isn't about the poor, and the redressing of past imbalances. It probably never was. So, to answer the question: Is Mandela a saint or a sinner? In my book he is definitely a hypocritical sinner.

More importantly, though, what is in store for the future of South Africa? Well, a democracy is out of the question. It has the appearance of one, but it isn't. Just ask yourself, what do you think Jacob Zuma is doing? His ideology has never been democratic, he is an African strong man (in other words he believes in strong and centralised government), he is unilateralist, and he does not tolerate dissent. Consider his past role within the ANC and his thug associates, vis-a-vis the Shaik brothers and Malema, who will undoubtedly kill for him. If you are in any doubt as to what the ANC stood for, familiarise yourself by reading Talking With The ANC.

For a comprehensive description of the atrocities, read the Amnesty International report, as well as the other linked documents. Also, look out for the book Inside Quatro, by Paul Trewhela, who is single-handedly responsible for documenting most of the evidence, and seeking justice for the mutineers. He has done a sterling job for about 30 years.

21 Opinion(s):

Anonymous said...

Wish he'd hurry up and pop his clogs - I have a bottle of champagne waiting.

Sean said...

Wow, the guy's language, from the video, pretty much sums it up for me. Ignorance is perhaps one of the things that come to my mind, followed shortly by a hint of arrogance!

Jim Beam said...

The guy has made a very good point. Its not about right or wrong but about the timing.

Anonymous said...

Now thats a kaffir boetie if I've ever seen one he is so far up a kaffirs arse his shoe laces don't even stick out.

Islandshark said...

@ Jim: So regardless of the fact that the reasoning is absolute BS, we have to focus on the timing of the comments?

You know, it's reasoning like this that got South Africa where it is today...

Jim Beam said...

@Islandshark

No Islandshark, how about when your father is on his death bed I tell everyone what a cunt he was. Would it not be more appropriate to wait until he dies. You reflect what it is that got the country to where it is - a lack of respect.

Islandshark said...

@ Jim: So that will excuse me from bashing your head in?

So by that same reasoning I could shoot a driver who has cut me off on the road, for he has endangered my life - much worse than insulting me.

That is total bollocks and you know it.

Savagery got the country where it is today.

Anonymous said...

I can say one thing about the South African prison services they sure took good care of Mandela , considering what the average life expectancy for blacks is in Africa .

Anonymous said...

@JB - he may be your father but he's not mine. I have a few enemies in my life and when they die/dying I'll celebrate then too. Just because it's "the great Mandela" means zero to me. He's a terrorist and should have been hung after his Rivonia trial. He's overstayed his welcome on earth, caused a few more deaths whilst in prison and become a hero. Next one I celebrate is traitor de Klerk. That bottle of champagne is also waiting.

Anonymous said...

Hi there...

Im actually the creator of the vid. Just want to thank the owner of this site for showing me what this site is truly about... a bunch of radicals that feel the need to vent at what South Africa has become.

I have made 100 vids criticizing the government and what they have done to South Africa... but the one person that kept the black peeps from killing us are hated by you... Thanks to him you still have some rights in this country... and not 6 feet under the ground...

Islandshark said...

We don't idolise terrorists around here...

Sean said...

@Anon 08:54. And what about the rights of his victims (both black and white) who are "6 feet under the ground"? People act all PC, but tend to forget the real victims (again both black and white).

If only he is keeping whites alive, what will happen when he passes away (he is human after all)? I find that argument extremely poor (much in the same light of the ANC telling its supporters that the DA will bring back apartheid).

If you idolise him, that's fine. That is your choice. We prefer not, so in that regards you should respect that. You don't see us swearing and cursing you because you idolise him!

Islandshark said...

@ Sean: Good point. This is so typical of liberal idiots to swear and resort to name calling whenever somebody does not agree with them.

uzi muzi said...

all of you peeps are minorities
so i dont see any point for arguments` sake. rather go for funny conversations or just shut up and work for your survival.
politics or not, rich/poor white/black you are still going to die

Anonymous said...

mandela DID NOT keep the blacks from killing whites after 94.
It is the fact the SADF and police force was white.This terrorist knew that if he uttered the words payback / revenge when he became president, and the blacks did rise up, the SADF would have stepped in - now that would have been a massacre.Why do you think Mugabe started his shit only after 2000...you think the fact that the SADF , at this point was predominantly "uhm konte says we" has anything to do with it as opposed to being white.
Wake up boet. When I grew up I bummed ciggies from blacks and they from me...hell I even took black taxis into pta/jhb with them. There was NO racial tension. The ANC and your beloved mandela brought that.

mandela is an idiot and a terrorist.saint or sinner?
--nee n doos as jy my vra.

Anonymous said...

What i see in some comments is bile at its highest order.You don't know anything about S.A or its history.By the way S.A is the the most economically progressive country in Africa.

Islandshark said...

And Rhodesia was once the breadbasket of Africa.

What don't we know? That millions more are receiving benefits each year? That a huge proportion of the population is unemployed?

Are you delusional or retarded? Or are you rooster dooster posting as anonymous?

Exzanian said...

it's the roosty doosty alright.....Ho-hum

Anonymous said...

So just because some young UTube guy thinks that just the mere presence of Commie Mandela will save his butt the rest of the Whites should fall in line with this convoluted thinking. Maybe this young men should tell us what happened to the ANC weapons that were used in the Shell House shooting that Mandela promised to hand over for forensic testing ?
Did your God keep his promise ?

Anonymous said...

Only one "large" mistake in this theory: that "the ANC created Mandela"! Fact is, the ANC couldn't create a single thing. No, Mandela was most definitely a construct of those who sought to regain economic control of South Africa... the very same bankers who just enslaved the working populations of the US and Europe... and the stupid victims just lap up the multi-culti one-world crappola that has seen them (and their kids) become slaves!

Anonymous said...

Mandela had a brief moment of opportunity to prove to the world that the blacks were capapble of decent government. He F***ed it up totally with his racist outlook, stupid singing, his arrogance, lies and beleif that the west would forgive him for anything and everything.