Friday, September 10, 2010

The Cape Dutch of the 19th Cent.

During a previous post I posted a chapter describing the Boers of the 19th cent. I have also long since come across a book called: Cecil Rhodes and the Cape Afrikaners pertaining mainly to the Cape Dutch population of the 19th cent. Comparing the two one will discover rather different outlooks as the Cape Dutch were very pro British & pro Colonial while the Boers on the other hand became anti-British [ stemming mainly from the Slagters Nek Rebellion & into the era of the Great Trek ] as they were very anti-Colonial & quite independence oriented. This is significant as the Cape Dutch population was [ & whose descendants are ] larger than the Boer population group of which both groups were lumped together as part of an "official" coalition under the Afrikaner designation. Therefore when folks assert that "the Afrikaners are from the Boers" they are perpetrating a mathematical impossibility as they are omitting the Cape Dutch population who are in fact the larger progenitors of the Afrikaner macro group.

The following is from Cecil Rhodes and the Cape Afrikaners by Mordechai Tamarkin from page 57.

T D Barry, an English-speaking Bondsman, assured Parliament that he 'had never heard a disloyal word uttered' in the Bond ad that he did not believe there were more than two or three Bondsmen who wished the British flag out of South Africa'. The Bechuanaland crisis, like the Transvaal one before it, rather than triggering disloyalty, was an occasion for Cape Afrikaners to restate their loyalty to Crown and Empire.

The jubilee year of Queen Victoria in 1887 offered Cape Afrikaners an outlet for amazing manifestations of love and loyalty, in town and country, in verse and prose. The Afrikaner Bond congress in its official address to the Queen gave the lead:

We the undersigned, representatives of the Afrikaner Bond of the Colony... wish to approach you with our heartiest and most sincere congratulations on this blessed occasion... We assure you humbly and respectfully [of] our true loyalty to your throne, and we feel proud that in the great British Empire there are not more loyal subjects than those we represent.

It was signed by 'the humblest, loving and most loyal subjects of Your most Blessed Majesty'. In Paarl, the capital of ' Afrikanerdom ', representatives of the Genootschap van Regte Afrikaners and the Afrikaner Bond were present at the local celebration with their flags, while the main speaker expressed his joy at the impressive presence of the burghers which proved Paarl's loyalty to the Queen. The local Dutch newspaper ran a special supplement including a long poem, full of praises for the Queen, by Oom Jan. Such celebrations were not restricted to major urban centers. A correspondent from Van Rhijndorp boasted that 'although our village is small and miserable we have demonstrated our loyalty to our honourable Queen Victoria'. A rural Bond branch in the east held a banquet on a farm. According to the correspondent , 'the house was beautifully decorated and the flag which during thousands of years [sic] withstood the blows of the storm flew merrily high, a striking proof of our Bondsmen loyalty'.

In 1887 Hofmeyr was a member of the Cape delegation to the first Colonial Conference held in London. In a proposal combining a mild preferential treatment for colonial produce with a scheme to finance imperial defense, Hofmeyr made the most important contribution to the idea of strengthening the imperial connection.

Link to book: Cecil Rhodes and the Cape Afrikaners.

The Afrikaners - as a macro group under the mid 20th century definition of the term - are in fact mainly descended from the Cape Dutch while the Boer "segment" was co-opted only after the second Anglo-Boer War.

27 Opinion(s):

Anonymous said...

Interesting but wrong, because the boers and the Cape dutch were Dutch in origin.

Ron. said...

That erroneous assertion is wrong & totally misleading on more than one front because most of the so called Dutch the VOC sent to the Cape were in fact Frisians. The Boer people in particular have far more German roots because a lot of the Germans who came out in the 1700s settled straight into the north eastern Cape frontier: the region where the Boers germinated as a people. Furthermore the term Cape Dutch was not used to denote the ethnic origins of the people but simply a term ascribed to the pro Colonial folks in the south western Cape who were of course also of varied but mainly Germanic origins. Remember the term "Dutch" used to be used in a context describing most Germanic [ except the British Isles ] peoples from continental Europe just as the term Pennsylvania Dutch was used to describe the Amish people of German descent.

Also do not forget about the significant French Huguenot heritage found in both groups.

One of the biggest myths about the Boers has long been that they are of Dutch origin when in fact they are mainly of German / Frisian / Danish & French Huguenot origin. There are some Dutch roots to be sure but no where near as big as once thought.

Anonymous said...

Crap.

Examine the surnames of the boers involved in the Boer war and you'll find that the majority of these surnames are in fact Dutch.

Anonymous said...

Gnrl. De la Rey - DUTCH and French
Gnrl. De Wet - DUTCH

Faxt is that the dutch heritage is the majority, that make up the boers today.

The second largest goup is the Geramns and then the French.

Famus French heritage generals would be for instance gnrl. Viljoen.
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To try and divide the Boers is pointless, because they have the heritage of multiple nations coursing through their veins.
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In the end these nations all belong to one group, called the Germanic group.

Any claim to the contrary is false and to mislead and divide.
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Now one you realise that the Dutch, the Danes, the French and the Germans are all part of the same Germanic group, you'll realise how stupid you are being.

Dachshund said...

Excuse me Ron but my parents were both from Friesland which makes me 100% Fries, despite my liking of German dogs. Friesland happens to be in the north of Holland.

Viking said...

Isn't part of Frisia in Germany, Dachs? I distinctly remember being in "Ostfriesland".
Frisian language is very close to Old English too.
Back in the 1600s, remember, borders tended to shift a lot. It wasn't uncommon for people to wake up in a different country than they'd gone to sleep in.
Germany didn't even exist until 1870, so the majority (I've read) of the German settlers in what became SA were Hessians, because they were employed as mercenaries by the British army.
the distinctions between German/French/Dutch probably weren't as sharp as today, and many immigrants from non-Dutch speaking areas picked up Dutch as their language, because the Netherlands was an economic power at that time.
Also, cultural differences wouldn't have been that great either.
What is a shame is how the Dutch/English divide took place. A very unnecessary and tragic situation, but one largely based on religion rather than culture, and explains why Scots absorbed so easily into Afrikaans culture.

Ron. said...
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Ron. said...

No you forget that the VOC RESPELLED a lot of surnames to conform to a Dutch spelling. Even many French surnames were respelled ie: Villion was changed to Viljoen / Cronier was changed to Cronje / Pinard was changed to Pienaar etc. Though of course quite a lot of French names retained their original spelling. The German surnames were certainly more suspectable to being respelled to conform to a Dutch spelling. We know Bode & Both were respelled to Botha. The name Kluthe was respelled to Cloete etc. I have come across that one dimensional reasoning before concerning "the Boers must be of Dutch origin because many of their names are Dutch" [ ie: spelled in a Dutch fashion ] without ever considering the reality that there names were RESPELLED by the Dutch run VOC. Therefore those who make such point are raising an a priori argument without having done any research on the topic.

Ron. said...

Furthermore you argue to "examine surnames" without ever examining the root of those names. IE: you take at face value that the names are of Dutch origin without EXAMINING the SOURCE of those names. For example if one were to superficially examine the surnames of the folks of New England one will find a lot of White / Brown & other English looking names without realizing that those names were changed [ respelled ] from the original Le Blanc & Le Bruin. Therefore when examining names one must TRULY examine them & trace their ORIGIN & discover if they have not been changed form an original spelling often done in order to conform to the dominate language & spelling convention of the local communities as was the case for the folks the VOC brought to the Cape region.

Ron. said...

No. The De la Rey name was Spanish in origin. Therefore you are the one "being stupid". Wrong. Genealogical evidence strongly suggests that the Boer people are made up significantly of German origin. Furthermore I have been told this over & over again by actual Boers. The South African French Huguenot heritage web site notes that the French genes are at 24 % of the macro White Afrikaans speaking population & Afrikaans author J A Heese notes that the Dutch origin of the macro White Afrikaans speakers is LESS then 35 % so your erroneous assertion is refuted by the documented facts.

Krokodil said...

Yawn! Here we go with the same old crap. OK Ron, you win: the Boers are as different to the Afrikaners as the Japanese to the Australian aborigines. Satisfied?

Boer self-determination will NOT happen by themselves (though probably not at all) - are you just plain thick to think differently, or what?

Ron. said...

Well hello Afrikaner aka RWR [ & whatever else moniker you have used ] I see you are back again but posting overtly anonomously this time because the line that tipped you off was your ridiculous "try and divide the Boers" because nothing I stated was aimed at "diving the Boers"! I totally agree with your assertion that the Boers have the heritage of multiple nations just like the Cape Dutch / the French [ Celtic / Latin & part Germanic ] / the Quebecois [ French / Irish / English / Scot ] the Americans / the Australians / the Canadians. The point of the article was simply to showcase the different political outlook of the Cape Dutch & in fact had nothing to do with the Boer people but once again you chime in with your usual distracting techniques.

I of course totally realize that the Dutch / Danes & Germans were from the same Germanic origins but your assertion that the French are Germanic too illustrates your ignorance as the French are mostly of Celtic & Latin origin. Though there was a slight Germanic absorption particularly in the north east potion of France.

I find it comical that you boldly accuse myself of "being stupid" when your own UNINFORMED comments is a shining example of your own "stupidity" concerning the matter.

Ron. said...

Dachshund. I am well aware of were Friesland is - which is why the VOC took a lot of them to the Cape - but the point is that the Frisians are a DIFFERENT ethnic group to that of the Dutch. To this day the Frisians still have their own dialect. Furthermore Viking is right that Friesland is also found in Germany but that does not then make the Frisans there part of the German ethnic group.The fact of the matter is that the Frisian identity was hidden behind the Dutch designation - much like how the Boer identity is often hidden under the Afrikaner designation.

Ron. said...

Viking. The groups who would become the English [ Angles / Saxons & Jutes ] divided from the Dutch [ or rather the Germanic communities related to the modern Dutch ] based mainly on the fact that they trekked into the British Isles & developed their own distinct identity much as the Boers developed their own distinct identity in isolation from the Cape Dutch as a result of trekking inland from the late 17th cent [ beginning less than 35 years after the arrival of Van Riebeeck ] into the Cape frontier. When Anon asserts that these facts are "diving" a monolithic Germanic people he is ignoring the fact that trekking & isolation tend to create new & distinct identities & cultural groups. Given cultural groups could never have developed & grow if they never "divided" from a parent group.

Dachshund said...

Viking, there is a German equivalent of Friesland, but I think Ron is splitting hairs here, he bangs on about the German Frisians as the one and only to justify his argument that the Cape was never Dutch.

Ron. said...

The Cape was run by the Dutch & Dutch were sent out to the Cape BUT - as Adriana Stuijt noted after coming across documentation in the Netherlands noting that - most of those so called "Dutch" were in fact Frisians whose identity was hidden behind the Dutch designation. Furthermore Professor Wallace Mills noted that the VOC took significant numbers of Germans to the Cape from the start. So the Cape was Dutch in the sense that it was run by a Dutch company BUT significant numbers of if not most of the folks the VOC sent out to the Cape were in fact not Dutch.

Therefore you are promoting a straw man argument. Remember that a lot of Germans were already in Holland before the VOC sent them out to the Cape. Splitting hairs is a ridiculous accusation when attempting to assess the ethnic origins of a people. Would pointing out the fact that the Haitians are mainly not of French origin despite having French names [ to paraphrase to make a point: look at the Haitians surnames Ron you "stupid" hair splitter: they are "clearly" French ergo must be of French ethnic origin! Anon might say. ] [ of course the Haitian White minority is mainly of French origin but you get the point I was making here ] be considered "splitting hairs"?

The problem I had was with the erroneous assertion that the Boers "are mostly of Dutch origin" because that is simply a superficial presumption. A presumption refuted by the facts concerning their ethnic origins. I think a lot of people like to perpetuate the erroneous notion that the Boers "are of Dutch origin" in order to play into a narrative [ as parroted by none other than Greg ] which asserts that the Boers & Afrikaners are "just a bunch of displaced Dutch folks who are 'foreign' to Africa" ergo insinuating that they have "no right to be in Africa" & should "go home back to Holland" because this is an offensive refrain I have heard often [ & no doubt of of you have heard as well ] by ignorant & just downright anti-Afrikaans folks. When the reality of the situation is that the Boers [ & Afrikaners as well ] developed into a homegrown people out of diverse groups who were sent to the Cape & then AMALGAMATED into distinct cultures while ON African soil. The Boers in particular saw themselves as "African" & tied to the continent then later had to fight wars against Colonialism in order to survive & defend their republics. Therefore it is rather one dimensional & erroneous for them to be simply dismissed as displaced Dutch & would be tantamount to dismissing the French / Italians / Spanish & Portuguese as displaced Romans.

Ron. said...

Well Krokodil: your views against Boer self determination are well known & you have not yet provided a legitimate reason why the Boers are not entitled to the inherent right of self determination. You still try to argue the discredited notion that the Boers must submit to the Afrikaners because you know all too well that the Afrikaner leadership is against Boer self determination. You promote the term Afrikaner because you know it acts as a breaking mechanism against the Boers & anyone [ including pro independence oriented non-Boer decended Afrikaners ] seeking self determination because the Afrikaner leadership will always seek to represent all Afrikaans speakers thus marginalizing those who seek independence [ often as a "fringe group" ] as the term Afrikaner was devised in order to tether all Afrikaans speakers to the macro State & repress secessionist attempts.

This was illustrated all too well during the 1940s [ & since & even prior ] when the Boers tried to restore their old Boer Republics but were obstructed by the Afrikaner establishment & subsequently told that they are "all Afrikaners now" & that they should rather work with the Afrikaners [ who were recruited by the British to be the surrogate Colonial power of the new macro State ] to co-govern South Africa & be responsible for millions of other peoples found within its arbitrary borders.

Therefore you are up to your old tricks advising the Boers to "abandon" their centuries long just freedom struggle & convince them that they are just part of the controlled "Afrikaners" [ an amorphous term promoted by the British who aimed at destroying the Boers' identity & lumping them in with the Cape Dutch ] & the Afrikaans money / media power who work hard at upholding the territorial integrity of the macro State & in turn work against Boer self determination.

Ron. said...

The claim that Boer self determination "will not happen by itself" would be hilarious if it were not so tragic. Of course it would not happen by itself but the fact of the matter is that every time the Boers struggle for self determination they are subverted & prevented from attempting such & often by your precious Afrikaner establishment as was the case again in the early 1990s when the Boers were taking LEGAL control of the political process in the Transvaal when they tried to elect their OWN speakers at the various meetings so that they could then run INDEPENDENTS & get the National Party OUT of the Transvaal [ in which they were later then going to use it as a platform to negotiate for the restoration of the Boer Republics ] only for the police to be called out & disrupt the process after the agent provocateurs from the AWB were sent in to cause a scene in order to "justify" the police presence & disruption.

The Boer people are the single strongest force - at lest among the general White population - in favour of obtaining self determination but you constantly shill for the position that they must dilute their effectiveness in pursuing this goal by tethering themselves to the bulk of the Afrikaner population whose leadership & money / media power is adamantly & openly opposed to any form of self determination.

The Boer people would have in all likelihood have regained their self determination back in 1914 & again in the late 1940s & again by the 1990s were it not for the interference & OPPOSITION of the very Afrikaner establishment you attempt to convince the Boers they are apart of because each of those instances of attempted Boer independence was THWARTED by the Afrikaner establishment. Therefore your accusations that I "think different" [ ? ] for supporting Boer self determination because "it will not happen by itself" [ gee you do not suppose because it is constantly OPPOSED has anything to do with it! ] falls flat particularly when you shill for the notion that the Boer Republicans must dilute their natural strength by aligning with forced opposed to & working against self determination.

Ron. said...

The thing I find most interesting is how all of the various derogatory accusations which have been leveled against myself here [ ie: "stupid" / "thick" / "think different" ] are better suited descriptions against my would be accusers because they illustrate those traits by ignoring facts & promoting falsehoods. The threat of Boer secession appears to scare a lot of folks particularly those whose identities are too invested with the macro State [ after all everyone is supposed to now be a "South African" & have no more national or folk based identity ] or do not want to loose easy access to any portion of South Africa which might opt to break out of the dispensation.

Dachshund said...

I don't think the Boers have much of a choice other than to form a republic, there is no way that black Africans will otherwise leave them alone. I agree that Boers and other whites should not just be told to go back to Holland or Germany or wherever they came from hundreds of years ago, that's like telling blacks they should all go back to the equator (I wish). How would you go about it - (the boer republic, not sending the blacks back to the equator)?

Exzanian said...

Eish, be careful when you take on Ron! Which I won't do, but I do have one question for you Ron, what is your view on "baster" kids like myself...So called "Souties" Would we have a place in a boer homeland republiek if it ever happens? My surname is Germanic/ Boer (don't slaughter me on that term) but I have strong allegience to the Anglo Saxons (maternal grandparents both British and one paternal grandmother British)

Ron. said...

Well I can not be sure about what policies any restored Boer Republic would have as that will be a matter decided by the actual folks who participate in such a restoration but I would guess that there would probably be an accepted English speaking minority as there exists in Quebec. I think none other than the late Eugene Terre'Blanche [ who was asked the same question decades ago ] said that English speakers were welcome [ at least by him ] but I imagine that there would be a limit as to how many could be accepted. But I do not think that would be much of a problem as I doubt there would be too many English speakers who would want to live within a restored Boer Republic but some would want to just to get out of the state of South Africa without having to emigrate too far. But I gather that those who would want to do so would not number more than a non threatening minority of the general population. Though once again you should defer to someone who is working within the Boer Republican movement for a clearer answer to your question.

Dachshund said...

There's only one thing for it, Exzanian. You and I set up a republic. I'm of Dutch descent with a grandmother who came from Leipzig. You have soutie as well as Boer ancestors. Anyone white but of GOOD CHARACTER is welcome. Goffels with musical ability also but no kaffirs or kaffir spouses.

Helen Zille has already tried this with some success, we have to admit, but see what happens when you let the Xhosas in.

Exzanian said...

Thanks Ron, but I would have been more comfortable if you had said "yes of course you would be welcome, anyone would be welcome, as long as you respect our language and traditions and provided your intentions are bona fide"

Dach...LOL!!! When do we start?

Ron. said...

Well that's basically what I did say [ if not in so many words ] & if it were up to me I would of course have no problem with allowing English speakers who respect the Boer's language & traditions & whose intentions were bone fide [ ie: as I noted "a non treating minority" ] but as I am not on the inside of any panel or organization working for Boer self determination you should ask someone who is who could give you an answer because I have no power to influence any proposed policy on the matter. My guess though was that they would probably have no problem with it based on Terre'Blanche's response to a similar question from the early 1990s & the fact that at lest one English speaker [ Allan Woodall as interviewed here at TRP. ] is a member of the Boerestaat Party. I think that if you support the goal of Boer self determination you would be accepted but I do not want to be too presumptuous about what their policies would be until more is articulated from them on the topic.

Dachshund said...

Exzanian, I think Ron has a point about not trusting the English too much. The poms have been notorious for serving their own agenda when it comes to the Boers and disappearing when things got too hot. You can't blame the Boers for being cautious. All the same, most English speaking Saffers have seen the light by now, but it certainly took them a while. I remember gritting my teeth when some nauseating PC white English speaking woman banged on about my once a week maid being pregnant and my need to "do something for her", for just one example. I had an English speaking tenant in what used to be the servant's quarters just recently for exactly two months before I kicked her out. Silly hypochondriac bitch tried to run my household and give me gratuitous advice on whether the one day a week maid and seven day a week dog needed medical attention, with that condescending "I'm English so I know better" attitude. In my house, money talks and bullshit walks, so out she went.

The dog is fine, thanks.

Dachshund said...

Hey, have you noticed that when you agree with Ron. he promptly shuts up? Lol.