Saturday, July 17, 2010

Shocking Reality of White poverty in South Africa


Some haunting images in this clip of poor whites living in Coronation Park to the West of Gauteng taken by Reuters photographer Finbarr O'Reilly in March 2010.

There is some text at the bottom of the images, but unfortunately I could not get it to enlarge in converting to You Tube. However, the images speak for themselves...You can read the text and the individual images here.


PS: Give this clip a little time to buffer.



26 Opinion(s):

The Rooster said...

If you're going to rely on the state and not educate yourself and learn a skill this is what will happen to you. I can't think of one skilled, educated white person who is not living the good life in S.A. The useless people, same as everywhere in the world will end up poor.

Believe it or not you're not just automatically guaranteed wealth just by being born white. Lol. Work and make yourselves useful you lazy, stupid wollies !


(Same goes for poor blacks. Except at least they have an excuse. They were opressed for 70 years and never came from wealth. These white mostly did and aren't opressed at all relatively speaking! They have far more rights than blacks evere did !!! So stop making this to be the fault of anyone but themselves ! )

Islandshark said...

Even under Apartheid blacks had access to better education and services found elsewhere in Africa and probably better aligned to their culture than anywhere else in the world.

And whites are still punished for that today.

Can't think of one skilled person in SA not living the good life in SA? This is BS statement, as many of those skilled whites being sidelined by the current govt in SA have left.

But in your eyes those are just traitors or weaklings, aren't they?

The Rooster said...

Even under Apartheid blacks had access to better education and services found elsewhere in Africa and probably better aligned to their culture than anywhere else in the world.


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Utter Rubbish. Someone clearly swallowed the old regime propoganda without question. Today far more black children recieve an education and certainly a much higher proportion a good education. If you lived here you would see such educated , articulate black children walking around everywhere (often with their white friends).

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And whites are still punished for that today.

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How are we punished ? To not be automatically given a job even though you have no skills is not "to be punished" ! WTF ??? Are you a communist ?

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Can't think of one skilled person in SA not living the good life in SA? This is BS statement, as many of those skilled whites being sidelined by the current govt in SA have left.


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KAK ! You lot say qwe have a skilled shortage and at the same time say skilled people can't find a job ? How stupid is that ??? These people would have been the bottom of the ladder no matter which country they lived in.

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But in your eyes those are just traitors or weaklings, aren't they?

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Who ? I don't see how these poor whotes are traitors or weaklings. Just unskilled, uneducated and incapable. In the western world they would be garabage collectors or brick layers etc. Here to them "That's below us". So are they really that bad off ?

Exzanian said...

To try deny that whites have been detrimentally affected by BEE is just plain stupid. You have a better argument to find reasons to defend BEE, than to deny it has had a negative impact on whites. The greatest effect of course is in the public sector but the private sector is also mercilessly chasing their own targets. I left a fifteen year career (jumped before I was pushed) four years ago because the targets were increasingly being harshened up. I recently learned that whites are being forced into early retirement at age 50 at this company! That's young, in the prime of your career...to be forced out to make place for a black, when you should have another 10 or 15 years to build to a golden retirement?! it's criminal....Oh yah, at age 43 I've been reliably informed that if I return, that same company may take me back on a contract, month to month, but NO PERMANENT employment, no medical aid, pension etc etc. But blackie will have those perks - (I would just be fucking cheap labour, a BEE wage slave serving mah new mastah) needless to say, I have no intention of going back to ZA...

Jim Beam said...

@Rooster

But in your eyes those are just traitors or weaklings, aren't they?

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Who ? I don't see how these poor whotes are traitors or weaklings. Just unskilled, uneducated and incapable. In the western world they would be garabage collectors or brick layers etc. Here to them "That's below us".

-- Rooster you have hit the nail on the head even though you might have missed the context. They had the same problem in Orania when the whites in the lower sector complained about having to do what was termed 'kaffir work' which was sweeping the streets. The one guy complained that the middle class whites in Orania did not treat them like whites. I thought it interesting in the context of a homeland system. Who would sweep the streets in the white homeland and who will dig the holes, make the beds and bring Madam her tea? Another white? Shit no!

Viking said...

aye, Jim, how did we Europeans ever manage without 'em !

Here's the thing, though. It's one thing to give top jobs to a minority and then divvy the rest amongst the majority, and quite another to place that minority right at the bottom of the list.

Islandshark said...

Dear demented chicken, living with delusions of entitlement is idiotic and counter-productive, whether you are white or black.

I have criticised white benefits-for-lifers in first world countries as much as I criticise blacks in SA for burning down schools when they had opportunity to learn. They were more interested in shouting communist slogans in school than stydying.

Educated kids in SA today - are those the one "passing" with a 30% mark? And you accuse me of swallowing propaganda pill?

You have enough of a skills shortage that obscure organisations such as Homecoming Revolution can lure South Africans back with enough money - where would these people go if there wasn't any skills shortage?

I don't think any of the contributors on this blog ever suggested that whites should get preference for jobs over blacks or receive any special treatment - that is just more of your vile propaganda BS.

Hundreds of thousands have not left SA because they had to compete for jobs - they left because they COULD compete for jobs.

I don't know why I even bother replying to you - your websites of the past reveal enough about your demented state.

But you remind me of a certain BC, who worms his way in by seemingly honest and objective opinion only to resort to the usual brainwashed, anti-white, anti-expat, anti-Afrikaner/Boer, anti-old South Africa propaganda crap.

I've said it before - the frequency of your demented rantings on this blog is as sickening as the regularity of the next corrupt "previously disadvantaged" individual destroying yet another piece of South Africa.

You forget that even us expats have access to South African news sources where the last time I heard anything about SA school education it was rated lower than that of Morocco - quite an achievement. You could not have used a better example of your utter delusion about the state of SA than citing the current education system as proof that everything's well.

VI said...

Rooster is correct that those whites living in poverty will be the outcasts in any society, as he crassly puts it. This is because they are predominantly of the lower IQ percentiles, BUT only relative to their white brethren.

My argument is that they are disproportionately poor when compared to black IQs.

Moreover, as for improved education for blacks. Rooster is incorrect. Blacks may have better access to education. There are many with qualifications, but incredibly few that are well educated and able to apply their knowledge. I can attest to that. I lectured to Masters students, which were predominantly black, and it stunned me that many of them even had Bachelors degrees. I found it hard, in many cases, to award marks even at the 15% level. And usually the marks were moderated upwards anyway.

FishEagle said...

@ Rooster. "Let them eat cake", huh?

Exzanian said...

FE: I doubt that Rooster will follow the nuance of your pithy and articulate observation!

Jim Beam said...

@Viking

"aye, Jim, how did we Europeans ever manage without 'em !"

-- The Europeans did, not the white South Africans. Generations have passed since then and many whites hands and minds have become soft.

Tell me this Viking, why do whites not employ the poor whites in their homes as nannies, maids and garden boys? Why was Terrblanche's grave dug and built by blacks?

Aparthied screwed the way you whites think. I think it was detrimental to everyones mental health.

Viking said...

Jim, I'm sure it was different in many parts of South Africa, but 'white' immigrants from England and Scotland were doing 'working class' jobs in SA throughout the 1800s.
Working class Europeans were emigrating constantly to the cities, so it may have been a different story in rural areas.

I do not know the answer to your questions, but tend to think that the temptation to take pity on the "natives" and employ them -particularly at relatively low wages - was too great. You will know from your history of course that every effort was made to avoid this, and I make no pretence to claim that the aversion to employing blacks was for humanitarian reasons!

The enslavement of Malays is, of course, an entirely different story.

Viking said...

The other answer is, of course, simply economics. You have legions of persons who are willing to work for peanuts. This both creates jobs that otherwise would not exist (petrol pump attendant springs to mind), and stunts technical innovation (why save labour when it's so cheap?).
SA has shown the dangers of creating huge amounts of unskilled jobs, something the pro-immigrationists in the West could learn from.

Jim Beam said...

Come now Viking you are talking 1800's here. That is long gone and the mentality has changed. If it is economics and cheap labour are you telling me that these whites will not work for low wages, and if that is the case then is it not simply economic adjustment taking place?

We cant blame BEE and AA for everything. That would be like the blacks are doing with aparthied. Its a convenient horse to kick.

The Rooster said...

@ Rooster. "Let them eat cake", huh?

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Oh the irony. This is exactly the attitude of most of you towards black South Africans. Why change it when suddenly whites are involved and suddenly become "concerned" citizens ? Why align yourselves chiefly with color rather than class like in the western world ?

FishEagle said...

Rooster, don't change the focus from yourself to us. Don't project your qualities onto us. There is no irony. Just goes to show how you misunderstood conservatives. None of us have your lofty views about life. We don't align ourselves with class or race. We align ourselves with ideas. If they happen to coincide with class or race, then it's incidental. My ideas almost always coincide with the ideas of the white and Jewish race. I've developed a fondness for both. I'd love for you to explain how you developed your fondness for non-whites.

Viking said...

Yes, Jim, it is a readjustment. These poor white people have to compete with blacks for the same jobs. Which they are more than able to do if one assumes a fair playing field.
Like I said, I don't know why they aren't - they are likely excluded from any government or local authority jobs, but why private firms aren't hiring them I can't begin to tell you. Local farmers could hardly fire their own employees to make space for them, without bringing down the wrath of the government upon themselves.

FishEagle,

you can't realistically pretend there aren't those who align by colour rather than class or whatever. There'll always be Nationalists and that's not a bad thing in itself despite what others may say.

FishEagle said...

Viking, I haven't denied it. I'm saying that people align by race because people from the same race share similar ideas, etc. although ideas are not always exclusive to races. Is that hard to believe?

The Rooster said...

Rooster, don't change the focus from yourself to us. Don't project your qualities onto us. There is no irony. Just goes to show how you misunderstood conservatives. None of us have your lofty views about life. We don't align ourselves with class or race. We align ourselves with ideas. If they happen to coincide with class or race, then it's incidental. My ideas almost always coincide with the ideas of the white and Jewish race. I've developed a fondness for both. I'd love for you to explain how you developed your fondness for non-whites.

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I am proud to be white and of western culture. Why wouldn't I be ?

It's the ideas of white western culture I defend when I present the lofty idea of tolerance and equality.

I'm not an idealist. I don't think all people are equal now. I think we have the potential to all be equal. I think anyone who writes off that possibility is not only scientifically misinformed, but rather hopeless and defeatest.

Their solution to a better world is one of fascist opression. A kind of Apartheid like "utopia" where we (the strong) squash down on the rights of others we percieve to be worse(weaker) than us. What a sad cynical way to live.

Now we musn't be too tolerant. We musn't be apologists who tolerant the victim culture of other races and women and their sense of false entitlement. We must encourage a culture of personal responsibility. But within doing that we are not ourselves being personally responsibly as sentient beins to at least try ande bring about as much human dignity with as little suffering as possible to all sentient things. That is within the pragmatic means that allow us.

Do I "love" people of other races ?

The simple answer is no. Not without the individual person giving me cause and reason. But then I don't love other whites uncondionally either. Hence why when I see poor whites I shrug and point out poor blacks, mexicans, yadda yadda. I don't feel aligned to anyone by melanin content of my skin. That would be silly.

Viking said...

FishEagle,
no, it's entirely natural to be more concerned about those who look like you do.

But, yes, what you say is hard to believe. I would rather say that people from the same culture share the same ideas - but I know that even that isn't true. The Cold War is a perfect example.
Historical origin also plays a part in our ideologies. Maybe it could be said that shared ethnicity provides a platform for discussing ideas, but not conclusions!

Viking said...

@Rooster

now you're talking!

FishEagle said...

Viking, I was generalizing. I'm not ruling out ANYTHING as an influence on our natural association. I'm just saying that all of these influences on our natural association feed our ideas, which result in discernable differences between races.

Running out of time to respond. Will have to come back to this again just now.

Jim Beam said...

@Rooster

Nice one mate!

FishEagle said...

"I'm not an idealist. I don't think......now. I think we have the potential to...."

You are an idealist.

"I think anyone who writes off the [potential to be all equal] is...scientifically misinformed."

Science consists of a thinking process, starting off with a hypothesis. After a hypothesis has been formed it is either proven or disproven using scientific methods of observation and logical deductions. In EITHER cases, conclusive evidence leads to scientific prominence. You have been misinformed if you think anyone has done any scientific work to prove or disprove the hypothesis that all people are 'equal.'

"Their solution to a better world is .....where we (the strong) squash down on the rights of others we perceive to be worse(weaker) than us."

Not OUR 'rules', but these are the laws of nature, non the less. How many times does it have to be proven that if you stuff around with the rules, MORE people die as the result of egalitarian philosophies like communism, than if you just followed the rules. And as long as people have children that humanity can't afford, there will be 'weaker' people resulting in death. Let's face it, clearly equality doesn't come naturally when there are too many people competing for limited resources. By 'creating' equality you are taking away people's responsibility towards providing for their offspring.


"That is within the pragmatic means that allow us."

Wrong!!! You have claimed to have the powers of God with that statement. And not all suffering comes from having lost one's dignity....in YOUR world maybe. That's the only suffering you seem to be able to dish out when on the offensive.

"Do I "love" people of other races ? ....The simple answer is no."

By YOUR standards, that makes you a racist. And if you denied this, then you have absolved us from the same accusations that you made so many times on this site in the past.

@ Viking and JB,

Sorry but I disagree. That was the biggest load of tripe from Rooster and perfectly explains the source of his never ending demented comments on this site.

Anonymous said...

There are always, in every racial group, going to be those who occupy the bottom rungs of society. Yes, those who are incapable of creating a better life for themselves and their families.
The fact is, the current SA government spends disproportionaely less on indigent whites than on non-whites. A study sponsored by Solidariteit clearly showed this.
If you folks really care about what you see in this video, then donate money on a recurring basis to Solidariteit Helpende Hand - a charity focused on helping white people like these.
Go to their site at helpendehand dot coza

Anonymous said...

Give these guys their own country, like the Bantu were given during Apartheid, and they will be a self-sustaining success within five years!

Until then, THE WHITES ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFRICAN HISTORY TO HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED!

Common Sense