Sunday, July 18, 2010

Nationalisation: on ANC's agenda




Perfect timing!

You've been "Soccer punched" whitey!

With the success of the world cup behind them, the ANC (always dependant on sentiment rather than policy) can begin to unfold their original atavistic plan: Dismantling and re-distributing the wealth locked into white man's pension pot....hahahahaha....

And said whiteys are so lulled into the feel good claptrap of the soccer world cup, they are just going to go along for the ride. Into the abyss...

Make no mistake, nationalisation is NOT just an ANCYL policy, it is and has always been the mainstream dream for the ANC "intelligentsia"...Take Mantashe as an example; one of the top six at the helm of the ANC...

Quoting from an article in the
GuardianUK less than a year ago:

"Gwede Mantashe is also national chairperson of the South African Communist party.

Is it possible that the power behind the throne of a G20 nation is a commie? It must be said that the ANC comrades tend to practise communism-lite. But when Mantashe gave a lecture recently at Johannesburg's Wits University, I asked him if he would describe himself as a Marxist.

"I would not describe myself as a Marxist," he replied. "I am a Marxist."

He added that he has no better conceptual tools with which to understand the world. It is conceivable then that, if Zuma continues to fiddle while the townships burn, South Africa's fate may yet depend on the prescription of Das Kapital..."

This is the man that will learn to see eye to eye with young black aspiration very, very soon....Check your passport folks, get it loaded...



The ANC Youth League has pulled off a significant victory after convincing the ANC to put the nationalisation of mines on the agenda of the ruling party's national general council, which takes place in September.


Youth league spokesman Floyd Shivambu yesterday told the Sunday Times that "discussions inside ANC structures on the matter have already started".

League president Julius Malema also confirmed that "our nationalisation of mines debate is going to the NGC later this year".

"The truth must be told; this is not about me, it is an ANC Youth League initiative.

"The whole nationalisation of mines debate was started by the leadership of the youth league and I am just pushing their mandate as president."

When asked about the matter, ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu said: "The NGC was not only about the nationalisation of mines but to review the work of the ANC and government since 2007" (when the party last held its national conference in Polokwane).

Mthembu said there were many discussion documents prepared for council and these would be released at the appropriate time.

Shivambu said the ANC would hold a seminar "to discuss the matter (nationalisation) in greater detail". He added that the youth league and the ANC - which had dismissed talk of nationalisation - were beginning "to find each other on many issues".

"We produced the document on nationalisation of mines as the youth league leadership and we requested comments from experts. We are ultimately going to agree on one thing."

Shivambu sounded upbeat when he told the Sunday Times that the youth league was "not worried whether nationalisation should happen or not; the question is how we are going to manage it".

He hinted that the youth league might also encourage the ruling party to copy Zimbabwe's land reform programme, saying "many people are misreading what happened in Zimbabwe".

"There was nothing fundamentally wrong with their land reform programme. In South Africa we can do it without creating perceptions that we are abusing human rights. (read that again boys and girls!)

"People who don't agree with the youth league are trying to divert attention and protect their interests. We can't be held to ransom by the interests of minorities. The best way to celebrate Nelson Mandela is to become more decisive in the struggle for economic freedom in our life-time."

NGCs are convened midway between the ANC's national conferences to discuss and debate organisational and political matters, including new policy formulations.

The party's national executive committee, which is to meet next week, will thrash out a number of policies to be discussed at the NGC.

Part of the ANC policy discussion documents include the issue of whether ultimate political power resides in the party or the government.

At its last conference the party was held to be the centre of power, but that has led to power struggles in North West, Eastern Cape, Gauteng and Northern Cape, where the party leaders are not provincial premiers.

The NGC will also discuss whether local, provincial and national elections should be held at the same time. Currently national and provincial elections are held separately from local government.

The future of provinces will also be on the agenda. The ANC national policy conference in 2007 decided that there was a need "for a comprehensive review of this system (of provinces), taking into account the distribution of powers and functions between different spheres of government as well as within the two-tier system of local government with a view to assessing whether this contributes to the attainment of our developmental goals".

At the party's Polokwane conference, delegates resolved that "the incoming NEC must ensure that an ANC summit is held to formulate an input into the process of developing a White Paper on Provincial Government and to review the Local Government White Paper".

Last year, local government minister Sicelo Shiceka said the future of provinces would be decided by March this year.

The party is looking at several options; these include retaining the status quo; retaining the nine provinces with substantially reduced powers and functions; reducing the number of provinces by merging some of them; retaining the provinces as mere administrative units; or phasing them out altogether.

24 Opinion(s):

FishEagle said...

This is one of those articles where you wondered whether you accidentally stumbled onto the wrong blog, when finishing reading it...or maybe you had the country wrong...seriously! It simply denies the dignity of any rudamentally sane person.

Luc D. said...

Soon a tyranny in the name of a racial majority near you!

Viking said...

wow. blueprint for tyranny right there.
Which is how it always starts, with lots of seemingly rational talk and well-meaning 'discussion' about policy. These guys truly are not only nutjobs but evil bastards too.

Anonymous said...

"Shivambu said the ANC would hold a seminar "to discuss the matter (nationalisation) in greater detail". He added that the youth league and the ANC - which had dismissed talk of nationalisation - were beginning "to find each other on many issues".
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Finally the ANC are slowly stopping there pretentiousness. Before whilst it was merely testing the temperature of the water with regards to nationalisation, it had to pretend that nationalisation was an ANCYL agenda only. This was so that they could distance themselves from the ANCYL, should the water turn out to be boiling.

They must have realised that the water is not very hot at all.

Be warned. Nationalisation will happen as sure as the sun will shine tomorrow.

If you choose not to belief me, you are indeed a fool.

A4

The Rooster said...

lol @ anyone who takes Malema and his psycho babble seriously. Malema is a joke to us south Africans now expats so stop taking him so seriously. He's a fringe lunatic who even the ANCYL are rejecting currently. The ANC has also distanced itself many times over the issue of nationalization of the mines.

And even if something crazy happens and we quantum leap and the mines are nationalised, so the F what ? What do we lose ? Some big firms get paid out and life carries on as usual with your average South African getting a bigger piece of an increasingly insignificant pie. Mining makes up 14% of our GDP now. It's not a big deal like you guys remember under apartheid before you ran away with your tails between your legs, like little girlie men.

The Rooster said...

Be warned. Nationalisation will happen as sure as the sun will shine tomorrow.

If you choose not to belief me, you are indeed a fool.

A4

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Can I predict other warning you might have given in the past ?

The blacks will kill the whites when they come into power ?
The south African economy will collapse under a black government ?
The soccer world cup will be a failure ?
There will be a race war after terreblanche was killed ?
There would be massive xenophobic killings after the world cup ?

Call me when you get one right. Until then you might want to consider a more accurate barometer to predict the world with than your outdated racially based rhetoric. Because it's simply not representing reality at all.

FishEagle said...

@ Rooster. There is no one left to hear the laughter of the liberal (or any) whites in Zimbabwe.

Viking said...

The difference between "predicting" Nationalisation and those other things Rooster mentions are the following:

1. it's ANC policy
2. they keep talking about it.
3. we all know they want to do it.

This is not the rumour mill. It's Malema -who, yes, is a clown - and Floyd Shivambu in their own words.

And "so what?"
You can't just Nationalise 14% of the economy and divvy up the spoils and make everyone happy - happy with their R150 a year per person (by my calculations)? not bloody likely.
The economy is like the Butterfly Effect - you can't f*ck with one part of it and leave the rest alone.

Nationalisation, unless it means the state actually buying up the shares at market value, sends a signal to investors that they are neither valued nor welcome. It tells them that this government rules by whim, and that their investments are not safe.

Jim Beam said...

@Rooster

"Malema is a joke to us south Africans"

- To foreign investors he speaks on behalf of the ANC as they do not correct him. Hence the ANC uses him to test the waters. Everyone knows that.

"the mines are nationalised, so the F what ? "

Then nobody invests in the country as private property rights are not protected nor guarenteed as they don't have the money to payout the mines for the capital equipment. In other words the property will be viewed as stollen and all sectors will take a lashing.

Exzanian said...

@Rooster: "Call me when you get one right. Until then you might want to consider a more accurate barometer to predict the world with than your outdated racially based rhetoric. Because it's simply not representing reality at all."

The problem of course old cloaca, is that most of the kak that hit the fan was NOT predictable in detail, only in general terms (Eskom/ parastatal collapse/ Polokwane/ Xenophobia murders/ judicial compromise/ corruption/ Selebi/ Idiotic AIDS president and of course, the threat of nationalisation)

STOP making a straw man out of everything that gets posted on this blog and start admitting that there are some serious problems in ZA...Your belligerence and strawman bashing is not welcome on this blog. Stop obsessing with what we've got to say and piss off back to kill-the-white...

The Rooster said...

The problem of course old cloaca, is that most of the kak that hit the fan was NOT predictable in detail, only in general terms (Eskom/ parastatal collapse/ Polokwane/ Xenophobia murders/ judicial compromise/ corruption/ Selebi/ Idiotic AIDS president and of course, the threat of nationalisation)


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ESkom ? A problem ? The company that rose the amount of people with electricity from 30% to 80% in 15 years ? And the only f-up was some power cuts in 2007 ??? You call that a failure ?????

Polokwane ?

Xenophobia murders are a result of too many people flocking to South Africa because of our booming economy.


Selebi is going to jail.

judicial compromise- see above.

corruption-hardly new and low compared to just about anywhere else.

idiotic aids presisent - we give free arv's to anyone who wnats them/ One of the few countries in the world to do so. Even we can barely afford it.

Threat of nationalisation - What threat ? Government has privitised radically compared to before and has stated they are not interested in nationalisation.


So you list an example of absolute non issues as our "biggest problems". Think about that and reflect upon just exactly how much you are barking up the wrong tree.

The Rooster said...

@ Rooster. There is no one left to hear the laughter of the liberal (or any) whites in Zimbabwe.

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Really ? Might want to have a chat to my family who live there. Supermarkets are full, economy is gorwing 25% a year. People are thriving again.

Get with the times bro.

The Rooster said...

Nationalisation, unless it means the state actually buying up the shares at market value, sends a signal to investors that they are neither valued nor welcome. It tells them that this government rules by whim, and that their investments are not safe.

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I have no idea how the state means to bring about mine nationalisation. Why ? Because they have over and over again said they have no fucking plans to do it and never spoken about doing it !!!


But if they ever did....and pigs flew....they would buy out the mines of course. Not just take them over. They're not stupid. Society would fall apart if they did that. I think if you look at the A.N.C intellectuals you will find they're something a cut above the Malemas of this world.

The Rooster said...

Then nobody invests in the country as private property rights are not protected nor guarenteed as they don't have the money to payout the mines for the capital equipment. In other words the property will be viewed as stollen and all sectors will take a lashing.

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True or not true. Under the A.N.C the trend has been to privatise rather than nationalise.

Well ?

Viking said...

Take a look at this:

http://www.unisa.ac.za/default.asp?Cmd=ViewContent&ContentID=11629#history

It looks like it was written in about 1995. It's the story of privatisation in SA, which began with SASOL in 1979 and was pushed by PWBotha of all people in the late 80s.

The programme was put on hold by the new government, but Mbeki declared his intention to continue it. however, to quote:

"Between 1992 and 1995 the ANC changed its stance on privatisation significantly. In 1992 it stated that privatisation of state assets was not an option, because too many survivors of apartheid had not yet reaped any of the successes achieved through a capitalistic economy. The economist for the party, Mr Tito Mboweni, said that the physical infrastructure of rural black communities and townships needed to be uplifted by publicly owned enterprises. State assets would play an important role in the social and economic development of the country and the majority of its people (Beeld, 24 August 1992).

FishEagle said...

@ Rooster. Clearly you are adamant to make the best of any situation that arises. Apparently you are very couragous, even seeing Zimbabwe as a success. Your apparent courage is coming at the expense of my dignity, much in the same way that I described in my first comment about the content of this post. You have nothing of your own to be proud of.

Anonymous said...

Rooster wrote:
Really ? Might want to have a chat to my family who live there. Supermarkets are full, economy is gorwing 25% a year. People are thriving again.

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http://www.cathybuckle.com/thisweek.shtml

http://www.afriqueavenir.org/en/2010/04/25/imf-slashes-zimbabwe%E2%80%99s-economic-growth-prospects-for-2010/

Islandshark said...

The chicken is full of crap - always have been, always will be.

He contradicts himself within the same response. Xenophobic attacks are apparently caused because delirious foreigners are crossing the border to get into wonderful SA - including all those Zimbabweans who are supposedly now fleeing a country with full supermarket shelves and where whites are happy to stay.

Which is it now? Is Zim so wonderful that everybody stays or SA so wonderful that everybody comes?

You know what - I don't care what his demented response will be - cause it will still be crap...

Exzanian said...

Anon 21 July 2010 04:22:
Isn't Cathy Buckle an imperialist white bitch? How can she have an opinion on Zim? LOL!
Anyways, rooster has just exceeded his credibility limit by giving Zim the thumbs up. Great belly laugh there Rooster, my beer came outta my nose reading that!!!...Amazing how these rainbow peddlers seem to have such short memories! OLOL again!

Jim Beam said...

@Rooster

The screw is turning and I think you are going through a phase where you cannot face your own standard stock answers. Its when you turn from being a liberal to a conservative.

You cant connect the dots which I find odd - how old are you might I ask?

1. ESkom ? ..... the amount of people with electricity from 30% to 80% in 15 years ?

-- Considering few pay for electricity in the townships

2. And the only f-up was some power cuts in 2007

-- See #1. No money no honey no capacity

3. people flocking to South Africa because of our booming economy

-- No they are running away from where the last liberals had been. See Zim for more details.

4. Selebi is going to jail.

-- Like Shaike or Yengeni. He will get a terminal illness and be playing golf next year.

5. corruption-hardly new and low compared to just about anywhere else.

-- Acceptance of what is wrong shows weakness and a compromise of ethics and moral standards.

6. we give free arv's to anyone who wnats them

-- Its being donated. See the Zuma appeal for the donars to continue.

7. Supermarkets are full, economy is gorwing 25% a year.

-- How can you have 25% grwoth and 40% unemployment? Supermarkets are full but nobody can eat as they dont have money as they dont have work.

8. they would buy out the mines of course

-- There is no money to buy out the land from farmers. Where will they get money to buy the mines from?

Rooster wake up mate, its becoming a big stink hole!

The Rooster said...

FFS. Where did I try present as some sort of paradise ? But people need to take on board that it is improving and past the worst. That's the word of the people that ACTUALLY live there.

This is the problem with you people. No middle ground.

FishEagle said...

@ Rooster. Past the worst? I don't think so. And I live here in SA.

I also happen to work in the SA government. Something you wouldn't see, unless you worked in the government, is the way management is spiraling out of control. There is fear all around, like they've realized that the horse they mounted wasn't quite as tame as they supposed, at first. You would just need one week with me on my job and I promise you, you won't ever have another word to say on this topic.

By the way, I find it hard to believe you've been to any other African countries, or even parts of your own country, like the Wild Coast. Because if you had been you'd understand, the worst is far from over, regardless of the cause of the situation (racial inequality (IQ differences), apartheid, colonialism, whatever you may believe).

Jim Beam said...

@Rooster

"That's the word of the people that ACTUALLY live there. "


People who live THERE? Rooster you bugger - go back to SA! lol You are an expat too.

Anonymous said...

@ Chicken Boy...

WTF have you been smoking mate?

Some SIRIAAS shi-i-ite no doubt.

Zimbabwe is a basket case. The only people who are eating are the fat cats, people employed by CORPORATIONS and the odd beggar who gets lucky. I have A LOT of family in Zimbabwe and they say that besides the fuckups in delivery of services, electricity, water etc. life for them is unchanged since Rhodesia. They live in massive houses, have a maid, a houseboy, a gardener and a cook. Still living the good old colonial lifestyle. Outside their front gate it is a VERY DIFFERENT kettle of fish.

I think your rose coloured glasses are showing the strain of continually trying to turn turds into flowers. Must be getting help from all that shi-i-i-ite you smoke in your little single race gated community.

This country is FUCKED, make no mistake and is going to rapidly become a worse basket case than Zimbabwe. A continent of evidence is VERY hard to ignore. A multicultural society has never worked and will never work. Some friends of yours in Denmark and Sweden are just starting to see this.

The only hope for any reasonably intelligent white in this country is to get out or fight it out for a homeland. There is no middle ground. Anything else will simply follow the path of least resistance and end up like everything north of the Limpopo - FUBAR.

Enjoy your acid trip while it lasts. Sooner or later YOU will experience your reality check.

Time for you to take another pill, maybe it's time to take the RED one...

"Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more."

Catch a wake up. Some one who lies to other peole is a liar. Some one who lies to themselves is deluded.

Enjoy you Blue Pill...