Wednesday, December 30, 2009

Jewish Emigrants To Israel On The Rise


I will make no bones about it, I am pro-Israel. My reasoning has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity, but everything to do with global contribution. The Jews are vastly more intelligent than the average nation, and this manifests in any highbrow occupation.

I don't doubt that they use firm tactics to assure their survival, who wouldn't; but a world with Jews in it, is immeasurably better than one without, for a myriad of reasons.

But there is no denying that the Jews have often been at the centre of major conflict, and there are always signs when something is afoot. Consider the following.

[Source] It now seems that the aliyah, or the emigration of Jews to Eretz Israel, is on the increase. In fact, the number of Brits making their way from the UK to Israel has increased by a huge 34 percent. This is the largest increase in new emigrants heading to Israel in 2009.

The Jewish Agency for Israel has announced a global increase of about 17 percent overall. The largest number of new emigrants was 3,767 from the United States and Canada. However, there were 835 British citizens that made this journey, which does show the largest increase in emigration volume.

Natan Sharansky, the Jewish Agency chairman, said that every new emigrant strengthens the country and is a strategic asset to all of Israel. A spokesman for the Jewish Agency, Michael Jankelowitz, said that he thinks that British Jews have a really strong Jewish consciousness. He also thinks that they are making a concerted effort in Britain to encourage people to take the plunge and move to Israel.

Of course, Michael Jankelowitz also added that, interestingly, what he thinks that they are seeing in the figures is that most emigrants are coming from the free world and democratic countries. These are people that are not running away from anything. These are people that are choosing this life, because they prefer to live in Israel. This is something that they all find very encouraging.

Experts are not sure why there has been such a big increase in the number of people that are leaving their homes and heading to Israel. However, no matter what the reason, there has been a 17 percent global increase in people making the trip.

There is an obvious omission though; the elephant in the room. Anti-Semitism is dramatically on the rise worldwide (view the article on Twitter), with the UK having some of the highest recorded incidents. Is it a coincidence that there is a correlation between rising anti-Semitism and rising emigration of Jews to their homeland? I think not. Is it a sign that another showdown is imminent? Perhaps.

56 Opinion(s):

Viking said...

The source article doesn't mention one crucial point - the antisemitism comes almost exclusively from Muslims, who have been issuing threats and carrying out antisemitic violence throughout Europe.

Anonymous said...

The clock is ticking....

Anon.

mike dwyer said...

you don't know the history of the Jew over 2500 years, in which they have destroyed everything and everyone who loves them, that is why you have no value to South Africans and they continue to be slaughtered.

if you and all south africans had cancer today, their biggest problem would still be the Jew.
all hate-White organizations are run by the Jew in the u.s. SPLC IS A PURE JEW ORGANIZATION, WHICH ONLY ATTACKS THE WHITE RACE.
NAACP IS NOT A NEGRO ORGANIZATION. DO YOUR HOME WORK ! IT WAS STARTED BY THE JEW TO INSTIGATE NEGOES TO ATTACK WHITES. THE STORY OF THE NAACP AND THE JEW PAYROLLING IT, ARE ALL OVER THE INTERNET.
this is why you have no effect on the amount of Whites being slaughtered daily in SA.

Vanilla Ice said...

@Mike. I visited your site. My but you really are filled with an intense hatred for Jews.

What is it with your type? As soon as you see the word Jew ( I imagine you have Google Alerts set up) you go nuts.

Surely you are aware that the largest Jewish critics are Jews themselves.

Don't tell me you have an axe to grind because the Jews crucified your mythical God.

Viking said...

The Irish are descended from Jews, VI.
They are one of the two Lost Tribes of Israel, and it is quite possible that the Ark of the Covenant itself is buried at Tara in Co.Meath.
There are semitic linguistic traits in the Irish language that can only come from Hebrew.
Food for thought, hey?

Anonymous said...

Jews are not Iraelites! When are people going to understand this? The word "Jew" doesn't even appear in the Old Testament, once.

Modern/classical Hebrew is the adopted language of the Jews. All European languages (except Hungarian) have Hebriaic traits because the northern Isralite kingdom called Israel moved out of Assyrian captivity and traveled Westwards into Europe. They were given the name "Keltoi" (celts) by the Greeks.

The Irish are most certainly "Keltoi" and the prophet Jeremiah went there carrying the famous "Stone of Scone" after the Babylonian king Nebukadnezzar had destroyed what was left of the southern Isralite kingdom called Judah and let him go.

Lime said...

I'm sort of on the fence here. I think there are two types of Jews - the ones that are behind most of the financial mess/power struggles in the world and those that live in Israel. The ones living in Israel are the ones I sympathise with to a certain degree - they are now being treated the way SA was treated before de Klerk sold us out. And the reason that so many Jews are now running to Israel is that they see the writing on the wall in the free countries. The UK and now Canada are allowing Muslims into their country at a rapid rate, which is in turn displacing the Jews due to what Islam stands for. It's the same with the SA white - we are now running from the blacks because of what they're doing to us. Good luck to all. I think peace is but a twinkle in the eye.

Anonymous said...

You said: “The Jews are vastly more intelligent than the average nation, and this manifests in any highbrow occupation….” Pleeazze, you cannot be serious! What do you classify as a “highbrow occupation”? The International Bankers, the Gold and Diamond dealers of the world that have manipulated and pushed prices through the roof.

You say that your reasoning has nothing to do with religion! If this is your way of thinking, then you are extremely immature my friend, and have no sense of values at all!

Enlighten yourself with their HOLY SATANIC BOOK, the Babylonian Talmud. When you’ve done that you will understand why the global pornography, sex-slave kidnapping, and pedophile rings, are almost always exclusively Jewish run. This disgusting HOLY BOOK approves the vile acts of bestiality, incest, and sodomy, and a whole lot of other repulsive deeds. According to their Talmud, baby boys may always be used as subjects for sodomy by grown men. Are these the firm tactics they use to assure their survival?

Wake up and have a read at http://www.come-and-hear.com/ Hurry before the Jews shutdown the site!

The Jews had no right to call their little piece of soil in the Middle-East ISRAEL. That country was the land of the Philistines and was called Palestine. The true Israelites are the white nations scattered all over the planet. They are the ones that cause countries to prosper and to be blessed in abundance, NOT the Jews. Can you remember that Jew-boy standing next to Mandela when they sung that song, Kill the Ama-BHULU (Whites) ??? This is what they do best! Instigate chaos and murder, because their father is from the devil!

Don’t forget that after 1945 the UK became embroiled in an increasingly violent conflict with the Jews. The British got fedup with their crap and eventually withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it was unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and Jews. It’s cousins fighting cousins! Have a look at Wikipedia for more info on Israel and the Jewish State. Hurry before the delete or re-edit the article!

I do not hate the Jews or any race on this earth, but I believe it is immoral to defend the Jewish cause. Jews have brought this hatred upon themselves, through their own actions, and now they want the world to feel sorry for them! Every second TV programme on DSTV reminds us how the poor Jews suffered in the Holocaust. Do you see the Afrikaner or any other race doing this? All races on this planet have suffered, but the Jewish-controlled media will seldom report this. Everything is about THEM.

You have fallen into a nasty trap. Save some face and delete this post!

@ Vanilla Ice
You said, “Don't tell me you have an axe to grind because the Jews crucified your mythical God.” It seems you also have much to learn about politics, religion, and life in general. Enjoy your Jewish DSTV and other Jewish propaganda. This too shall pass!

Vanilla Ice said...

Well there is a distinction between Ashkanazi Jews and Israeli Jews, I think.

But does it matter? If someone wants to be classified Jewish, so what. They have the same right to existence as any other ethnic group.

Are you detractors (the one's that always suggest that we wake up and think) suggesting that there is something inherently evil about being Jewish?

How is that different from the rest of humanity?

Vanilla Ice said...

@Anon 5.42. Well, this site isn't about to become a forum for anti-Semitism, but you are being given a platform for the moment.

For starters I am agnostic, so any references to the devil, the bible, the talmud, fall on deaf ears. Nobody needs a holy book to be morally uprighteous; that is a personal choice.

I do not accept that all Jews huddle together and read the talmud, then go off and commit nasty deeds. That is just too far-fetched.

They happen to control most industries, and the media, for a simple reason; intellect.

There is no denying that Jews have committed some heinous crimes. So what, all nations of the world have. But to suggest that all Jews conspire similarly is disingenuous. Jews are their own worst critics. Take the blinkers off and look around you.

As for the holocaust; you may have a point. Perhaps they are hyper-sensitive, but hey, 6 million deaths is a good reason to watch your back.

Why are you so anti-Jew? Perhaps you should learn a bit from life. You shouldn't be taking a book, written by men, so literally.

Anonymous said...

Why all the hatred for Jews. They have contributed more to modern society than most other races.

What I do find very strange is that Jews mostly are liberals and support liberal policies. Quite ironic in that it is these liberal policies that is the cause of the rising anti-semitism in Europe.

Marx, the father of communism was a Jew.
Richard Lewontin, the creator of "Race is a social construct" was a Jew.

Anonymous said...

Along with some far-sighted Jews, many ordinary Anglo whites are also leaving the UK. You might say, they always have; only now, the birth rate is such that we are not replacing them. Demographics is everything, in the long run. The UK is well down the road to irreversibly ceasing to be a Western nation. The UK Govt either doesn't realize this (unlikely) or, ....what? What is their real agenda? Can they really be that stupid? I doubt it. There is another motive. There has to be.

This is a truly appalling state of affairs; the UK, the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution, the colonizer of half the world, the home of Darwin, Newton and a thousand other men and women who made the modern world; reduced to this? Why?

Anon.

Anonymous said...

This post is typical of the ignorance that most gentiles have of the jew.
There is a good reason for anti-semitism. It´s not some sort of unexplainable inborn gene thing that the white race passes on from one generation to the next.
All parasites eventually destroy their hosts, and that is why the jew is hated, because he is a parasite. Even in Israel, he can´t survive without outside assistance.
Israel is founded on a lie so great, it defies belief. It is stolen land. It wasn´t claimed honourably by an invading force who faced their enemy in open battle, but by skullduggery and deceit.
America, through the labour and ingenuity of the white race, has helped finance the building of their nation. Germany, who still today pays billions of Euros in war reparations through the jew´s milk cow, the holocaust, is their other source of blood money. They are a nation of dishonorable thieves and enslavers who have sucked the very life blood of hard working non jews.
And this you admire?
The jew has laid claim to a lot, but the truth is, he has contributed nothing to real progress and the advancement of the human race. The very religion he foisted on his gullible host is testimony of his devious nature, because it is as false as he is.
And this you admire?
Without his host, the white man, he would end up in the very sewer where he belongs. He is a blood sucker and an alien on this planet. He has been responsible for almost every war ever fought and even before the next one starts, even you, who admire this creature, claim he will be the cause of the next one.
He is the spawn of satan and the epitome of evil. He is the very symbol of everything bad on this planet. He has turned brother against brother. He has foisted his evil doctrine on us in the form of his perverted ideologies, such as communism which has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of millions of innocent souls.
And this you admire?
He has crippled humanity with his policies of multiculturalism and racial integration, while he demands the right to keep his own blood pure. He has given us the zionist movement that would create the new world order and enslave the people of this world even further while he rules over us like the God he thinks he is.
And you admire this?
You are as sick as he is.

Dachshund said...

I agree the likely reason for the diaspora from the UK is increased anti-Semitism, but a lot of poms and Europeans are leaving the UK and Europe because they can't stand the Muslims either.

There are several reasons for anti-Semitism, the most prevalent being envy. No matter where Jews go they tend to make a success of their lives. It's a mistake to say they all make a positive contribution however - Madoff springs to mind - but whenever a Jew does something wrong it's blown out of proportion.

The holocaust is still a help and a hindrance to Jews. A help in the sense that they have a highly developed sense of self-preservation ("this will never happen again"), but a hindrance in that they are too tolerant towards minorities who can't or won't help themselves.

Couple that with their bombing the hell out of the Gaza strip in self-defense and you will always get simpletons who believe that Jews are the source of non-Jewish suffering.

Jews should just get off the unqualified human rights for all bandwagon for the sake of the integrity of their own PR.

Having said that, I doubt whether you'll see massive Jewish migration from the States to Israel because of the well entrenched position of Jews in North America.

Anonymous said...

I still question that 6 million jews were killed during WWII. I need someone to explan to me how 1 million jewish people per year (on average) were killed over a +/-6 year period (that's roughly 500 000 jews per month/2740 per day!). Where do you put so many bodies?? It takes on average 1.5 hours to cremate one body (can take up to 4 hours) and then you have to let the ashes cool before removing. I just don't buy it that so many people were killed. As far as I know there weren't mass grave sites found. So if anybody - without emotion and clouding the issue - can answer me that would be great.

mike dwyer said...

here is some of the tons of information
about how the Jew planned to kill off the White race, which was the Elders of Zion plan.

http://judicial-inc.biz/995dr_kevin_macdonald_bro_kapner.htm

copy and paste

Viking said...

I honestly think that when there's six billion Muslims knocking on your door, some people will still be bashing the only Joo left in the room.
These arguments, and the hate, they're all just very old arguments and hatreds that go back centuries, they're not based on any new actual information. That's one reason why dialogue and refutation are so difficult.

Incidentally, there are just as many conservative Jews as liberal ones but they are often less vocal.

I for one am not so weak-minded that I can be mysteriously controlled by some tiny ethnic group from afar, the power of the media is not that great.

@Lime
thanks for your views. The influx of Muslims does nobody any good. Except the Muslims.

Dachshund said...

Ironically, Islam may well become the religion of default of Africa, what with the last of the whites leaving.

Lily said...

What most don't understand is that the contemporary Jews are not the descendants of Jacob/Israel. 5% of contemporary Jews are Edomites/Caananites/Kenites and 95% of them are Khazars (Turkish Magdar/Huns), who adopted Judaism back around 600 AD. see www.kazaria.com.

The true descendants of Jacob/Israel, the 10 lost tribes and the Judahites, are Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, Nordic and kindred people. These are the "sheep" that hear His voice and follow him, as Christ said "my sheep hear my voice and follow me". John 10:26,27. The Jews could not possibly be the "sheep" e.g. lost sheep of the house of Israel, because they rejected Him.

Christ knew the Jewish religious leaders were imposters and why they sought to kill Him. He said to them, "you are OF your father the devil. He was a murderer from the beginning." John 8:44. The first murderer refers to Cain, who was "OF that wicked one", the devil. 1 John 3:12 Hence Cain's offspring are devils because when a devil has children, its offspring are devils.

The bottom line is, they hated Christ and sought to kill him. Therefore, if you have Christ in you, they will they not hate you too and seek to kill you?

Unfortunately the sheep are just that, passive sheep, and have beed deceived into accepting these devils as the chosen of Yah. As a result, they are being destroyed.

Islandshark said...

How ironic that Jews are accused of wanting world domination, but that Muslims (who would destroy every non-Muslim on this planet in the blink of an eye), are believed to practise "the religion of peace".

Lily said...

(revised) What most don't understand is that the contemporary Jews are not the descendants of Jacob/Israel. 5% of contemporary Jews are Edomites/Caananites/Kenites and 95% of them are Khazars (Turkish Magdar/Huns), who adopted Judaism back around 600 AD. see www.kazaria.com.

The true descendants of Jacob/Israel, the 10 lost tribes and the Judahites, are Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, Nordic and kindred people. These are the "sheep" that hear His voice and follow him, as Christ said "my sheep hear my voice and follow me". John 10:26,27. The Jews could not possibly be the "sheep" e.g. lost sheep of the house of Israel, because they rejected Him.

Christ knew the Jewish religious leaders were imposters and why they sought to kill Him. He said to them, "you are OF your father the devil. He was a murderer from the beginning." John 8:44. The first murderer refers to Cain, who was "OF that wicked one", the devil. 1 John 3:12 Hence Cain's offspring are devils because when a devil has children, its offspring are devils.

The bottom line is, they hated Christ and sought to kill him. Therefore, if you have Christ in you, will they not hate you too and seek to kill you?

Unfortunately the sheep are just that, passive sheep, and have been deceived into accepting these devils as the chosen of Yah. As a result, they are being destroyed.

Islandshark said...

@ Dachshund: You are correct about Islam and Africa.

Lily said...

(revised What most don't realize is, the contemporary Jews are not the descendants of Jacob/Israel. 5% of contemporary Jews are Edomites/Caananites/Kenites and 95% of them are Khazars (Turkish Magdar/Huns), who adopted Judaism back around 600 AD. See www.kazaria.com.

The true descendants of Jacob/Israel, the 10 lost tribes and the Judahites, are Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, Nordic and kindred people. These are the "sheep" that hear His voice and follow him, as Christ said "my sheep hear my voice and follow me". John 10:26,27. The Jews could not possibly be the "sheep" i.e., lost sheep of the house of Israel, because they rejected Him.

Christ knew the Jewish religious leaders were imposters and why they sought to kill Him. He said to them, "you are OF your father the devil. He was a murderer from the beginning." John 8:44. The first murderer refers to Cain, who was "OF that wicked one", the Devil. 1 John 3:12. Hence Cain's offspring are devils because when a devil has children, its offspring are devils.

The bottom line is, they hated Christ and sought to kill him. Therefore, if you have Christ in you, will they not hate and seek to kill you too?

Unfortunately the sheep are just that, passive as sheep, and have been deceived into accepting these devils as the chosen of Yah. As a result, they are being destroyed.

Anonymous said...

@Viking Viking said...at 11:52
.......etc etc.
Boy, have you got a lot to lean. That was a post that doesn´t do you any favours at all. It reeks to high heaven of just plain ignorance.
With all respect, please study the subject from a few different angles before making a comment.
You claim the media aren´t that powerful, yet ironically, you are living proof that they are.
It´s called brainwashing.

Viking said...

Lily, some of your remarks are factually incorrect.
Firstly, Khazars do not make up 95% of modern Jews, it's probably more like 5% and it's really neither here nor there.
(For about $200 you can have your own DNA mapped and I intend to do this in the new year. who knows what might pop up?)

Secondly, leaving the 'lost tribes' aside entirely, the Jews did not seek to kill Jesus. If they had wanted to, they would have stoned him (as the Romans allowed them to do so).

In the end, the Romans killed Jesus, in the manner reserved for political insurgents.

Lily said...

Viking, I stand by my comments. First you misquote me because I didn't say the Jews killed Christ but "sought to kill him". This is what the scriptures tell us:

Jhn 5:18 Therefore the Jews SOUGHT the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Jhn 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews SOUGHT to kill him.

Now about the Khazars being only 5% of the Jews, where do you get your facts from? Did you check out www.khazaria.com? Also check out the Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

Lily said...

Viking, I also want to add that the Khazars are the Ashkenazi Jews whhich do make up approx. 95% of the Jewish population whereas the Kenites/Edomites/Canaanites are the Shefardic Jews which only make up about 5% of the Jewish population. However both groups have heavily mixed so it is difficult to say exactly what the percentages are. But the truth is, neither of these groups are the ancient Israelites of the Old Testament and are not the chosen ones of Yah.

Viking said...

Lily, I didn't misquote you,
"the Jews did not seek to kill Jesus"

There have been some DNA analyses of Jewish people, they've been quoted on this site before but I don't have them to hand.. but, sure, modern Jews are not entirely descended from either ancient Hebrews or Maccabean Judahites. The continuity is of a different kind.

Their ethnic makeup is not why people hate them.

Ashkenazi means 'Scythian' but in the New Testament the Greek Skuthoi is used with the generic translation 'barbarian', as in "there is neither Greek nor Skuthoi, slave nor free"

Meadow Lassie said...

Mr. Viking, the jew DID seek to murder YHVH the Christ. And they did. He came here to earth for that very reason. The children of Abraham (white race) are the covenant people. The only way to receive and inheritance of a will is, someone has to die.

The jew also laid in wait in a conspiracy to kill Paul. YHVH said the jew is responsible for all the righteous bloodshed from Abel to Zechariah.

The jew terrorists arrogantly and openly brag to let His blood be upon them and their children, claiming the murder.

Ashkenazi does not mean Scythian at all. The Scythian were white western Europeans, a name they carried before they were known as Caucasians, which today are known as the lost Sheep of the House of Jacob-Israel.

Irish are not descendant of jews. The Irish/Scottish are from the Royal tribe of Zara, and have nothing to do with jews who are of Asiatic, Turko-Mongol blood.

The Muslims have a learned resentment for the jew. The white race is born with it.

I don't know where you get your information from but it certainly is not from the Holy Bible.

Exzanian said...

Lily, are you the Lily from the Raving Theist site? What's the matter honey, not had any recent posts lately? The last one was October 4th as I recall? Don't come trolling here Jesus freak...

Anonymous said...

What is happening in the world is an increasing confrontation between people with a high IQ, but declining numbers,and too little self-respect; and those with a lower IQ, but rising numbers, and no shortage of self-respect.

Only the Chinese have a high IQ, large numbers and a high self-respect.

Draw your own conclusions.

Anon.

Vanilla Ice said...

@ExZ. Hallelujah. Our cavalry is finally arriving. The good thing with Jew ranters, is that everybody can see how fundamentally fucked up they are.

Viking said...

Meadow Lassie

none of your information comes from the Holy Bible.
"YHVH said the jew is responsible for all the righteous bloodshed from Abel to Zechariah. "
No, He didn't. Where does it say that? Apparently, the word 'Jew' doesn't appear in the bible, says another commentator. Although, it does, but not very often.

British-Israelism, Lost Tribes, etc, is very interesting but it's all B*LL*CKS. It certainly does not come from the Holy Bible.

I have a problem with people who, on the one hand, treat the Biblical text with 'literal' fundamentalist respect, and on the other hand feel free to read whatever nonsense they want into the text that just isn't there.

You and other commentators are entitled to your beliefs. Let's all agree to disagree.

Dachshund said...

Oh those raving theists and how they make me puke.

You get these morons everywhere and they're always looking for a spiritual showdown.

There's a happy clappy general dealer next to the bottle store in my neck of the woods. Somehow they always pitch their tent next to a bottle store or a public restaurant.

You find them at the hairdressers offering facials. You're relaxing with soothing muck on your face and it's out with, "And how's your relationship with Jesus?" They don't THINK they're not likely to get repeat business. That's why they go to churches promising wealth as part of the package deal. (Ever noticed how many Jesus freaks own timeshare they can't get rid of?)

How much nicer to deal with Jews who don't proselytise or talk a lot of nonsense.

Lily said...

[quote] Exzanian said...
Lily, are you the Lily from the Raving Theist site?
[/quote]

Sorry Exzanian, I have never heard of the "Raving Theist" site. Do you have a link? Sounds like it might be an interesting site. *giggle*

Lily said...

Viking said, "'YHVH said the jew is responsible for all the righteous bloodshed from Abel to Zechariah.' No, He didn't. Where does it say that?"

Viking you really need to study your Bible. That quote comes from Matt 23:35 and Luke 11:51 so it is not in the word once but twice!

Mat 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Notice that he is calling them "serpents" and a "generation of vipers", which corresponds to his statement that they are OF their father the devil, i.e. the serpent of old in the garden who seduced Eve.

Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:

Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar

Now about your other statement:

"Apparently, the word 'Jew' doesn't appear in the bible, says another commentator. Although, it does, but not very often."

You need to study the word for yourself instead of relying on what others say about it.

Also, understand that the word "Jew" is an English word translated from the word "Ioudaios" (Greek) or Y'hudiy (Hebreww). Ioudaios has 2 definitions: 1. a descendant of Judah, and 2. a resident of the land of Judea.

After the Israelites and Judahites were carried away captive into Assyria and Babylon, the Canaanites/Kenites/Edomites etc. moved into the land of Judea and were called "jews", not because they were the descendants of Judah, who mostly dispersed into Scotland and Germany, but they were caled "Jews" because they lived in the land of Judea.

Suffice it to say, they were not descendants of Jacob/Israel, which is why they do not have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17 tels us that the true remnant of the woman's seed (Israel) are those that keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Jews do not have that testimony so they could not possibly be the remnant of true Israel. Hence tey are imposters and have no right to the land of Israel.

Lily said...

Viking, you should also realize that British Israelism holds to the belief that the Jews are Judah. The only ones who reject that the Jews are the chosen of YHVH are Christian Identity adherents. CI believe Christ's words that "how can ye [jews] escape the damnation of hell?" as meaning that they can't so don't even bother to try to convert them because a leopard cannot change its spots. Did you hear that Dachshund? ONLY the "sheep" hear His voice (truth) and follow Him. John 10:27 The rest are following anti-christs, which are not preaching truth but rather, the doctrines of devils.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Exzanian said...

Oh for goodness sake Lily, go join a religious blog. There is hardly any evidence (in fact none) whatsoever that Jesus Christ even existed. The mythical godman we meet in the Gospels is nothing more than an amalgam of earlier solar deities such as Dionysis, Mithras, Adonis, Ra etc etc. All upon which the early believers added on their own little bits. Once you have established the existance of Jesus (which you will be unable to do without relying heavily on your propaganda books, the Gospels) you can start debating other issues. Now this thread can become long and tiresome, and I'm not in the mood for it. Go do your research. Start by Googling "testimonium flavianim" That is your only bit of "historical" evidence, and it's pathetic.

Viking said...

@Dachshund, ExZanian & Lily

Well, I am a 'theist' and at least one other contributor is too, as I'm sure are quite a number of readers, so it would be wise not to give the impression that 'we' are intolerant of religion per se, rather than specific, dangerous beliefs and ideas on an individual basis.

Lily, your tone has become increasningly condescending and this is unlikely to invite a reply - which leads me to the belief that you aren't interested in dialogue, but merely to get your own unorthodox ideas across. As such, ILSA is not the platform to express those ideas.

Secondly, when you misquote Biblical text (like Matt 23:35) and insert words that aren't there (luke 11:51 mentions "this generation", not "Jews") to make an argument, it makes refuting what you say impossible, as there is no point of contact upon which to argue.

Lily said...

Viking, I apologize if I came across as condescending but you might be the pot calling the kettle black. For instance, you have been so quick to say that I am "factually incorrect" and how you "have a problem with people who, ... feel free to read whatever nonsense they want into the text that just isn't there."

Your statements elicited a response to put you in your place.

Show me one place where I misquoted the word. I did insert the word "jew" after the word "ye" because if you read the previous verse, Christ says "and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues". Is not a synagogue where the Jews go to observe their religion.

If you don't wish to debate who these "jewish emigrants to Israel" are, that is fine. I would not want to debate a subject I did not know anything about either. :P

Viking said...

Well, Lily, I am not physically descended from those Christians of the first century, but that does not mean that I don't on some level fall into the same category.
The "Church" is the community of believers past, present and future, and to apply the same idea to Jewish people does not seem too much of a stretch.

On another note, Jesus himself is a Jew, and one who worshipped in the synagogue, so he is clearly not talking about himself.
He refers to the 'leaders of the Jews', or the Pharisees and Sadducees who form respectively the academic and upper classes of his time.
Jesus' opinion of his contemporary community's rulers does not translate into any opinion on today's Jewish community, particularly, as you insist, that these two communities are not related.

Lily said...

Viking, did you not notice in Luke 11:24 that Christ was addressing the scribes and pharisees? These were the Jewish religious leaders of that day who had ursurped the Levitical priesthood.

You had asked where it was said that the jew was responsible for the blood of Abel to Zacharias. I do not know what point you are making by referring to "this generation" but interestingly, the word "generation" is the Greek word "genea" and literally means "race". So what Christ was saying is that it shall be required (demanded back) of this race, i.e.the race of vipers.

Luk 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, AND YOUR FATHERS KILLED THEM.
Luk 11:48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of YOUR FATHERS: FOR THEY INDEED KILLED THEM, and ye build their sepulchres.

Vanilla Ice said...

@Lily. Your whole argument is premised on one large assumption; that the bible is factual. Pity that it's authenticity cannot be verified, and that it could be deemed as being largely a collection of fairy tales.

Viking said...

-You're right. In condemning the people of Israel Jesus is continuing a line of similar Prophetic anouncements that stretch far back into the Old Testament as you are aware.
There were similar tirades from most of the Navi'im, but all still acknowledged Israel as the chosen people of Yahweh.

I find it problemmatic to read modern ideas of 'race' back two thousands years into another setting. The New Testament is pretty clear that all races would become the Lord's chosen people although St.Peter was particularly resistant to this.

Lily said...

Vanilla Ice, have you ever been to Israel? If you had, you would not be doubting the factual basis of the Bible. Everything contained in the word is documents in the land itself. There is the garden of gethsemane where Christ prayed, the mount in Cecerea where Christ preached the sermon on the mount, the town of Bethlehem where Christ was born, the city of Tiberias, the Sea of Galilee where Christ walked on water, Skullhill were Christ was crucified, the Olive Garden where the olive trees are so magnificent, the tomb of Abraham, there are remains of Solomon's temple and the pools of Bathsheba, there is even the Via Dolorosa where Christ carried the cross. Across the Jordan River where Christ was baptised is the Land of Jordan where the ancient city of Petra exists, which is one of the wonders of the world and is a city that was carved in rock allegedly by the giants.

I submit that all these landmarks written about in the Bible prove its authenticity. Also, there is a document written by Pontius Pilate in a museum in Rome where he wrote to Ceasar and described Christ as having golden (blond) hair.

Lily said...

Viking, you say "The New Testament is pretty clear that all races would become the Lord's chosen people "

Can you show me what verse(s) you rely upon to make this statement? Hopefully not Romans 11 concerning the wild olive that had been broken off but grafted back.

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

Viking said...

Lily, there are quite a few.

I'm thinking Gen. 12:1-4,
but Matthew 28:19 is pretty explicit.

The story of Peter's vision in Acts 11 is also an allegory for the 'chosen people' including all races.
The story of the prodigal son can be read that way too.

you say:
"there is a document written by Pontius Pilate in a museum in Rome where he wrote to Ceasar and described Christ as having golden (blond) hair."
While I know there are Roman references to Jesus, do you have a reference for this specific one?

Lily said...

[repost] Viking, oh my goodness. Jesus was NOT a jew but an Israelite from th tribe of Levi and tribe of Judah. This makes him the Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

Please read this important article by Jewish Historian, Benjamin Freedman, Jesus Was Not a Jew.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm

Viking said...

yeh ...... a quick glance at that site reveals a hop, skip and jump to holocaust denial and that's a pony I'm NOT touching, thanks.

Of course modern Judaism was born after Jesus, around the time the Temple was destroyed, and of all the factions around in Judaea at the time, it was the Pharisees who theologically won out and became the Rabbis.
Jesus on the other hand, did not hate the pharisees as such, in fact he took their side in an argument over the afterlife! he objected to a lot of things going on at the time, but was for all intents and purposes of the same religion as them.

Lily said...

Viking, Gen. 12:1-4, is the Abrahamic covenant concerning his seed becoming a great nation.

Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED.

With regard to Matthew 28:19, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The word "nations" is "ethnos" and means a tribe, family, group of people and does not necessarily mean all the people of the world. The Israelites and Judahites were scattered throughout the various parts of the world and why Christ sent His disciples to go out and teach all of the tribes. Note the book of James:

Jam 1:1 ¶ James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

James was a "servant of Jesus Christ" and wrote a book for the 12 tribes, NOT for all the other people in the world, in keeping with Christ's command to his disciples.

Mat 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Viking said...

Hmmm.

I think my way of ironing out the contradictions is better :)

After all, Jesus himself said he was only sent to the sons of Israel, and it's clear from a good reading of the NT that this was so, where the Israelites were given 'first refusal' on the message of Christ and then later would all nations be blessed.

Pentecost represents this change.

But, like I said, I'm sticking to my interpretation.

Lily said...

Viking, about Peter's vision in Acts 10, this was not a vision that it is ok to eat unclean animals, such as swine and scavengers, as mainstream Christian teaches. The meaning of this vision is explained in Act 10:28:

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man [aner] that is a Jew [Ioudaios] to keep company, or come unto one of another NATION; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man [anthropos] common or unclean.

The significance of this verse is that Peter was shown this because he was going to receive a visit by Cornelius, the centurion. Cornelius was a Roman who converted to Christ. The Romans were lost sheep of the House of Israel and this is why Peter was shown the vision. The Israelites had been scattered and just because they resided in other lands did not mean they were not part of the sheepfold, to be grafted back into the good branch, that of Christ.

Viking said...

"The Romans were lost sheep of the House of Israel"

See what I mean when I say some debates just can't be resolved?
You've lost me on this one ....

Lily said...

Viking, this is an excerpt from E. Raymond Capt's book, The Abrahamic Covenant http://www.covenant.20megsfree.com/book.htm

"The tribes, as they migrated westward, in-mixed with a great number of Israelites who had left their homeland long before the captivities began. They had migrated due to overpopulation of their homeland, and later for fear of the then rising Assyrian Empire. The people of Dan were explorers and settled in new places. Centuries before the captivities they founded colonies in Greece, which attracted immigrants from the other tribes. The Bible speaks of Zebulun and Naphthali as being great warriors. The blond Hellenes (early Greeks) were noted for strong, healthy bodies. It was only long afterward. when Greece brought home dark skinned slaves and intermarried with them that the modern olive to dark skinned, black haired Greek was developed. Early Troy was founded by Hebrews that came from Egypt before the Exodus (1453 B.C.). From Troy came the Romans who settled in Italy."

The Hebrews were from the line of Noah from his son, Eber, which was the line that Abraham Isaac and Jacob/Israel descended from. They were all descendants of Adam through his son Seth (not Cain who was not in Adam's lineage) See Gen 5 where cain is omitted from the lineage of Adam.

Exzanian said...

VI - I think we are wasting our typing skills here ;)

Anonymous said...

Passive totalitarianism futilitarianism?