Thursday, December 17, 2009

Intolerance + Ignorance = Murder

Where Islam and Africa meet ......
... And where all that climate change money is going!

I see they are blaming AIDS on the gays too.

Muslims push for Death Penalty for Homosexuals in Uganda

As a gay man in Uganda, Frank Mugisha is used to the taunts, the slurs and the daily harassment of neighbors and friends.
But if a new bill proposed in the east African country becomes law, Mugisha could be put away for life, or worse, put to death for having sex with another man.

The Anti-Homosexuality Bill features several provisions that human rights groups say would spur a witch hunt of homosexuals in the country:

• Gays and lesbians convicted of having gay sex would be sentenced, at minimum, to life in prison

• People who test positive for HIV may be executed

• Homosexuals who have sex with a minor, or engage in homosexual sex more than once, may also receive the death penalty

• The bill forbids the "promotion of homosexuality," which in effect bans organizations working in HIV and AIDS prevention

• Anyone who knows of homosexual activity taking place but does not report it would risk up to three years in prison
From AutoStraddle, Girl on Girl website:

And a leading Muslim cleric, Sheikh Ramathan Shaban Mubajje, has called for gays to be rounded up and banished to an island until they die.

Ismail Musa Ladu & Risdel Kasasira, Sheikh Nsereko Mutumba, the public relations officer of the Uganda Muslim Supreme Council, and Dr Nsaba Buturo, the Ethics and integrity minister.

How about us who detest [homosexuality]; don’t we also have a right?

We believe that Allah created us to multiply and worship him. How will a gay do that? Muslims are aware that homosexuality is a sin and I am sure that the churches also teach that this vice is a sin and unacceptable in any society.

Nigeria has a similar bill waiting to reach its statute books and already allows the death penalty for homosexuality in northern states, as does Sudan. Burundi joined 37 other African nations this year in criminalizing gay sex. Egypt & Mali are also pursuing similar goals and using morality laws against same-sex couples.

8 Opinion(s):

Anonymous said...

I don´t have a problem with this. Homosexuality is a perversion and should be punished. It´s a cancer that has crippled the white race and caused liberals to claim the moral high ground since the west has proclaimed the practice acceptable. Same sex relationships are wrong, a violation of natures laws, and harmful to the well-being of society in general.

Viking said...

You're entitled to your opinion, Anon, although I'm sad that it was the only response.
whether or not you like gays or think they're a perversion or whatever, we can surely draw the line at murdering them - after all, how is that "punishment"?
"Tolerance" is not acceptance.

Nobody will ever "promote" the gay lifestyle - very few people other than the 7% or so of men will ever practise it. It will not destroy our society, in fact it leaves a lot of nice single ladies for the rest of us 93%.

I can see the argument that it does not promote "family values", but so what? I'm also not sure I accept the Natural Law argument, as it seems like a good way of nature's regulating the population to me.

But my main argument, that I'll stick to above all others, is that consenting adults can do whatever they like and it's none of my business. The State needs to get out of people's bedrooms, particularly in the case of this legislation, which the West is paying for via aid payments etc.

We have to refuse to subsidise barbarism, that's the bottom line.

Dachshund said...

I don't think most "straight" people really know all that much about gay people because straights don't usually socialise with gays. Gays know they aren't accepted by the mainstream so they hang out with other gays.

I have a very dear gay friend who can't find a committed relationship, but then you get straight people who can't commit or find others to commit to them either, so it's not exclusively a gay thing. You get a few gay men who live with each other for life and are happy with their lives. But promiscuity is more common among gay men, so that carries a health risk.

Overall promiscuity among blacks, however, is so rampant that it really doesn't matter whether they are gay or not. Uganda is looking for a scapegoat for Aids, very much in the same way that the Catholic Church massacred Jews during the Black Death in Europe in the 14th century on grounds that Jews were poisoning Christian owned wells. The fact that Jews were dying at the same rate as Christians had no effect on this false argument.

Anonymous said...

It is not just in the north of Africa that gays are being threatened; it is also in Zimbabwe where Mugabe is on record as having expressed his royal disapproval.

But here's the anomaly: white liberals often do promote the gay lifestyle as acceptable, and this happens in front of young kids as part of their education; ie it's a bit more than just tolerance.

On the other hand, white liberals also encourage the mass importation of immigrants who really loathe homosexuality and would, if they could, meet out the most severe punishment for it.

Paradoxically, the value system of the conservative whites (who mainly oppose mass immigration) is actually closer to the values of the immigrants when it comes to social issues. Closer, but not the same; nonetheless it is the liberals who are going to start screaming when immigrants, under their own imported and very intolerant legal systems, start to "clean up" the society round about them; they will take a very firm line against homosexuality,female narcissism, promiscuity, adultery, feminism, alcohol and abortion.

I for one, will watch with absolute fascination to see how this unfolds
over the next few years. The liberals will expect conservatives to restore "law and order" (ie the usual state of degradation) but then blame us for "persecuting" the immigrants as we do what is necessary to protect society.

Personally, as a socially conservative white male, I am against mass immigration but also against being too tolerant of the low fecundity-promoting freedoms so destructively rampant in the West. I see the latter as a problem, but it is our problem and we have to deal with it ourselves. The combination of low fecundity on our part plus the importation of high-fecundity, non-assimilable immigrants is plain lunacy.

The liberal/PC crowd are soooo stupid, it beggars description.

Anon.

Viking said...

Well said, Anon.
I have a problem with any lifestyle being promoted in schools, although I've never had anything against gays at such. I really don't care what people do to each other and don't often want to know. Long as they're over 18 I suppose.

But as you say, the same liberals who promote minority lifestyles are the same who want to import thousands of intolerant, misogynistic, gay-hating Muslims and Africans.

As has been noted on this blog occasionally, even so-called feminists will take the side of the Muslims over women's rights.

Liberalism truly deconstructs itself...

Anonymous said...

In fact a rather good book(The Enemy At Home) was written by an Indian author, living in the USA, Dinesh D'Souza; he quite frankly stated the reason for 9/11 and terrorism today is a deep-seated and entirely rational fear amongst Middle Eastern people that the inevitable consequence of the US and European presence there will be the importation of those aspects of our culture which they find so utterly disgusting (pornography, public sex, homosexuality, gay rights, abortion, voluntary childlessness, aggressive feminism, divorce, family breakdown, promiscuity, adultery, illegitimacy, the list is genuinely endless). In other words, all of the causes so dear to the hearts of liberals.

Liberals think that at the same time as they ACTIVELY promote this Sodom and Gomorrah, it's also a great idea to import hundreds of thousands of extremely conservative immigrants into the West. On the surface of it, this is as good an example of "cognitive dissonance" as you will ever find, but it pays to dig deeper: liberals promote everything, and anything, that will make us weak. That is the only thing in common between their "anything goes" social views and their "anyone comes" immigration views. Both of these postures mortally wound the West, and that's all that matters for them. Not just stupid, but really evil.

The book, by the way, is a must-read; highly intelligent, not reflexively anti-Muslim, and by someone who really knows what he is talking about.

And, incidentally, I don't think it right to persecute homosexuals either, given it's a biological phenomenon, but I do think it is dumb to promote it actively and in public.

Anon.

Viking said...

Haven't read it, Anon., but I have heard of the author and his argument. Seems the Moslems' greatest fear is modernity?

Someone once pointed out to be that promoting homosexuality is like promoting having red hair!

Anonymous said...

"..greatest fear is modernity..."

Well yes and no.

There are certain aspects of modernity they greatly desire; modern medicine, weapons systems, engineering, computers, buildings, aircraft and so on. These things empower them, and they like power.

Other aspects of philosophical modernity which conflict with their religious precepts, they will reject. Included amongst these are "social values" issues about which they feel very strongly.One can see without any difficulty that the values they hold dear are those which promote the family, and which encourage (even mandate, to the extent possible) reproduction. This is one reason they seek to immigrate into the west, since their territories inevitably become overcrowded; simultaneously, we are massively shrinking our population because of all these social ills which I mentioned and which we parade as "freedom and modernity" (ie, selfishness). The Muslims rightly see this as weakness and frankly are going to exploit it for all it's worth. And it's worth a lot: like the entire Western World.

As I said, I am like a lot of people when it comes to a sexual orientation; tolerant, as long as its not "in my face", and I understand biology very well indeed. But the notion that any society can outsource its procreative activities to third world immigrants and remain culturally unscathed, or even continue to exist, is magical thinking of the worst sort. And this is exactly what is happening, with the full encouragement and knowledge of our cowardly and venal "leaders" who don't care long term about preserving what could be the best civilization the world has ever seen.

Western science has been the most successful for several reasons, but key ones are the willingness to acknowledge facts and eschew magical thinking. This takes courage and self sacrifice, and in this orgy of instant gratification this is exactly what we have lost.

The Muslim analysis of the West is essentially correct; we are theirs for the taking. This has been obvious since since the defeats in Rhodesia and South Africa.

Anon.