Thursday, October 22, 2009

Afrikaners not “Minorities” – Minorities not Minorities either

The following article by Adriana Stuijt gives a lot of insight into the African mindset, especially those in political or other power positions. I’ve said it before – forget about the peanut-brain Malemas of this world. Those regarded as “educated” and “mild mannered” will be the ones leading the onslaught. “If you can’t see the writing on the wall, you had better wake up before you are the one with a handkerchief over the eyes facing the firing squad” – Frank of Queens.

Oct 21 2009 – Afrikaner minority-rights activists yesterday launched a determined verbal attack at the African Human Rights Day conference in Parktown yesterday - with Afrikaner intellectuals climbing into the draft report drawn up by ANC-officials for the UN Human Minority Rights Commission conference in Geneva on November 11.

This event was heavily-censored by the SABC-news TV however, which merely reported the following:

“South Africa does not need a special dispensation to cater for indigenous groups and minorities as its Constitution protects and guarantees the cultural, linguistic and religious rights of all her people,” the IEC president Pansy Tlakula told a meeting looking at minority rights :

roodt_dan pro Afrikaans Action GroupHowever, the often very angry, heated debate between the small number of Afrikaners and the black majority at this meeting – and which had led to this statement by Tlakula -- was not reported by the SABC-TV at all. And even though they also interviewed Dr Dan Roodt, the Afrikaner intellectual who headed this highly-critical minority-delegation, the SABC-TV chose not to broadcast this interview thus far…

Dr Dan Roodt’s report: http://www.praag.co.za/nuus-magazine-402/afrikaanse-nuus-magazine-401/6164-vonke-spat-by-minderheidskonferensie.html

Yesterday’s African Human Rights Day conference was called by the SA human rights commission to gain the stamp of approval for their concept report – however the Afrikaner intellectual delegation – comprised of Dr Pieter Duvenage, Dan Roodt, Louis Smuts and André Alkema, sharply criticised the submitted draft, saying that the Afrikaner delegation did not agree to its wording -- and would be getting together with other Afrikaner groups to draw up their own ‘dissenting minority-opinion report’ in time for submission to the November 11 2009 UN conference in Geneva, Switzerland.

At the start of the morning-session, while Dr Dan Roodt – the businessman and author who founded the activist Pro-Afrikaans Action Group (PRAAG) was holding a press conference outside the SABC-radio and TV station about the issue, Dr Duvenage was inside engaged in hot debates with delegates.

“SA State does not recognise the presence of Afrikaner minority…”

Stating his held viewpoint -- as a leading member of the Afrikaner minority in the country -- Duvenage said the South African state ‘’ can no longer be viewed as having any legitimacy because it cannot guarantee the safety of its citizens any longer’.

Moreover, he said –-- amidst loud and often very angry protestations from the black delegates -- that ‘the presence of the Afrikaner minority was not even recognised by the SA State any longer’.

  • This raised the ire of one featured black conference-speaker, Ms Colet Letlojane – who flew into Duvenhage ‘s claim with counter-accusations of ‘disloyalty towards the black majority which had forgiven him (Duvenage) for apartheid…’
Afrikaners laughed at by head of SA Human Rights commission:

After the morning session, the newly-appointed head of the SA Human Rights commission, adv. Tseliso Thipanyane, was standing around amidst a large crowd of admirers and bystanders, and was heard to joke in a demeaning way about the Afrikaner-minority delegates, repeatedly chanting; “I want my Afrikaans, I want my Afrikaans” – to the huge amusement of bystanders.
  • “900 people killed in political violence during apartheid – but tens of thousands of Afrikaners have already been killed by the black majority after 1994…”
  • During the morning session, when the few Afrikaner delegates such as Duvenage were enduring verbal attacks in highly-emotional language by many other delegates, Dr Roodt also responded by saying that “he was pleased that Duvenage was forgiven for apartheid.”
“However if one places this forgiveness towards Duvenage against the fact that 900 people were killed during political violence throughout the entire apartheid-period (1948-1994) in South Africa, while thus far some 750,000 people have already been murdered since 1994, amongst whom also were many tens of thousands of Afrikaners, Duvenhage should actually show forgiveness towards his accusers rather than the other way around, because “it’s the vast black majority who are committing this horrific crimes,” said Roodt.

This comment put the cat amongst the pigeons – with black delegates then attacking the very concept a ‘minority group’. One official of the Justice department even claimed that the concept ‘minority group’ was a ‘dynamic concept and that this doesn’t mean that South Africa was comprised of minorities…’
  • During the afternoon-session, the chief editor of the Department of foreign affairs’ human-rights and humanitarian affairs, Pitso Montwedi, also vehemently denied Dr Roodt’s statistical submission that the official apartheid-era death-rate was 900 people, saying this was “a lie” . Dr Roodt then asked that ‘the true apartheid-era political death rates’ be published, since these he had quoted had come directly from the SA Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
Many of the other black speakers also claimed that the concept of ‘minority rights’ was born during apartheid, that South Africa now was one homogenous nation without any minorities…

Another government official also said that ‘ if minority groups joined the ruling party (i.e. the ANC) they could participate in politics’.
  • Minorities in SA have no rights to influence political power…
  • Dr Roodt responded to this by asking whether this official thus was ‘lodging a plea for a one-party state’ with this invitation – to which this official responded that ‘minorities did not have any rights to influence political power nor have any political influence…’
The ANC-executives at the conference then tried to defuse the debate about Afrikaner-minority rights by changing the subject altogether – namely to that of the ‘rights of non-heterosexual people – submitting that this group should be viewed as a ‘minority group’ and that this should be reflected in the concept-draft to the UN meeting on November 11.

Dr Roodt however continued the Afrikaner-rights debate, pointing to the example of the voting-districts’ demarcation of the Pretoria municipality by Dr Michael Sutcluffe as a ‘prime example of discrimination and suppression of minority groups’ where primarily Afrikaner-suburbs were cut up and added to black-majority-voter suburbs to guarantee an ANC-majority vote in those new voting districts.

This raised the ire of Mrs Nkaro Mateto, senior manager of the Independent Electoral Commission – who said that she was a member of this demarcation commission for the Pretoria region – and that the purpose of the voting-district demarcations had not been to ‘discriminate’ against Afrikaners, but rather to ‘integrate’ them.

“Integration is just another word for forced assimilation and genocide…

Dr Roodt replied to Mrs Mateto’s claim by noting that in his view, “integration was just an euphemism for forced assimilation”:
  • “There are three ways to commit genocide,” he said: (1) “through ethnic cleansing, for instance by driving Afrikaners from the country through a variety of laws barring Afrikaners (from public life); (2) by forced assimilation and through violence.
  • “And all of these elements already exist in South Africa (targeting the Afrikaner minority).’
Then the Human Rights Commission chairman angrily replied that, “as a Sotho whose ancestral lands were taken away before 1930 he, as a member of the black majority, was not prepared to make any kind of concessions to the civil rights of the Afrikaner minority.”

During the afternoon-session, the chief editor of the Department of foreign affairs’ human-rights and humanitarian affairs, Pitso Montwedi, also denied Dr Roodt’s claim that the official apartheid-era death-rate was 900 people, saying this was ‘a lie” . Dr Roodt then asked that ‘the true apartheid-era political death rates’ be published, since these he had quoted, came directly from the SA Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

“Hundreds of thousands of blacks were killed by Afrikaners during Apartheid…”

An Indian academic from the University of the Witwatersrand, Prof Ayesha Kajee and South African head of the International Human-rights exchange programme, then suffered an extraordinary anger-outburst, screaming that ‘hundreds of thousands of blacks were killed by Afrikaners during apartheid’, and that ‘Dr Roodt can’t establish fact from fiction.’
  • Dr Roodt replied: “don’t believe your own propaganda.”
  • Throughout the conference, all the Afrikaner delegates submitted point-by-point criticisms of the concept-report placed before the conference delegates for ‘final approval”. This document would then be tabled as representative of the entire SA population’s opinion at the 11 November UN Human Rights Commission meeting in Geneva.
Roodt and Duvenage submitted to the meeting that they would be drawing up a minority-opinion report which would be tabled together with the official government version – and that they would be calling on all Afrikaner organisations to help draw up such a minority report – and which would be submitted to the 11 November meeting.

Dr Roodt concluded that “from this meeting it also becomes clear – judging from the recriminations and accusations flying amongst the delegates – that the issue of minority rights in South Africa is an explosive situation.”

Dr Roodt’s interviews – conducted in English and Afrikaans – about this conference, have thus far not been published by the SABC. http://www.praag.co.za/nuus-magazine-402/afrikaanse-nuus-magazine-401/6164-vonke-spat-by-minderheidskonferensie.html#

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28 Opinion(s):

Vanilla Ice said...

@IS. Thanks for this article. There is so much of value here. It appalls me that the head of the HRC behaves the way he does. And it is institutions like this that provide "evidence" to the likes of Canada. Moreover, notice how the facts are inconvenient; the 900 deaths. The ANC wants the world to believe that we killed millions. It doesn't matter that they ran the TRC, or that the process allowed for every Tom, Dick and Harry to report a death. They still only came up with 900, and there are no mass burial sites. It is very disturbing to see these high ranking blacks in such an utterly deluded state. Roodt is correct, these bastards believe their own propaganda. We definitely need to publish a handbook on the truth. There is so much Apartheid mythology floating about.

Islandshark said...

Thanks VI - all credit to Adriana Stuijt and Dan Roodt.

FishEagle said...

Are the murder figures available from the period 1948 to 1994 (apart from the 900 anti-apartheid activists)? One needs to compare apples with apples and pears with pears.

Islandshark said...

I'm sure I have a file somewhere - I recall a figure for the period 1948 - 1994 of less than the estimated annual murder rate now.

Exzanian said...

The Afrikaaners are experiencing a long drawn out "kristalnacht" Everything they stand for is being shattered and broken before their very eyes. A broken nation. All I feel is impotent rage...It's horrifying....

Vanilla Ice said...

@FE. I wasn't going to say anything, but Roodt was incorrect with his figures. He should have adjusted for pre-1994 murders. He was trying to make a point. 1950 - 1993 there were 309,583 murders. But then absolute numbers still don't tell the full story, you would need to adjust for population growth.

Vanilla Ice said...

@ExZ. "Impotent rage" hey. That must be why I can't take tool to hand anymore.

@FE. Roodt may find some increase in murder numbers he could use. He would be best advised to use AIDS deaths though; the ANC deliberately denied access to ARVs. I would like those numbers. The murders that impact us now, are as a result of the collapse of Apartheid. The masses get to maraud freely now; before they were confined to killing their own.

Islandshark said...

I'll tackle this from another angle - how has life expectancy changed under the previous government compared to under the ANC. Doesn't that take care of the changes in population and comparing absolute numbers?

Viking said...

Vanilla shame on you!
Hundreds of thousands of blacks, hey?
You guys must've been picking them off on the way to work every morning. Did you use some kind of Gatling gun?

I remember reading The Bang Bang Club a few years ago, about the violence in the townships between 1990 and 1994, and it was truly shocking. You hear very little about these years in the media - I heard nothing at the time- and in fact information is even hard to come by on the internet (unless someone has a link?)

Untold numbers died in this short period, certainly thousands, and certainly far more than under apartheid.

Only the South African Police (bless 'em) prevented much greater bloodshed as ANC supporters tore into the IFP and vice versa. Some of the tales were horrific - and those are accounts I read while far removed from the event and places mentioned.

h said...

Fact is that most of the deaths that occured then were at the hands of blacks. The same applies now. They were killing themselves like flies back then, but they had to contend with racist whitey keeping the killing at bay (as much as possible). Now there is no more racist whitey to stop them and you see the results. Blacks were killing in large numbers then and they are doing it in ever larger numbers now. Whitey accounts for a negligible number of the total number of deaths. Add HIV related deaths to the numbers, due to government policy, and you see much and how fast how blacks kill themselves. Blaming whitey is just to propaganda to redirect attention from this. I know it, most of you know it. History teaches us one thing... Blacks are savages and have proven it time and time again.

Anonymous said...

900? Snigger. Thousands of Zulus were "politically" killed during Nkatha-ANC civil war in Natal during apartheid. And that's just one apartheid province. Never mind Witwatersrand and township / homelands killings in other provinces / homelands as well.

Vanilla Ice said...

@Viking. I need to correct your wording, lest a liberal comes along and takes it out of context. The black murders had nothing to do with security forces; those were a mere 900 or so (I am not about to pull out the TRC report to confirm). The rest were largely black on black; but again this number is a distortion. Graphically it would look like a hockey stick. But the study I got them from, it so happens that the numbers are not broken down and the graph is missing. Moreover, the author does not respond to emails.

@Islandshark. Yep, life expectancy is also a good proxy. But I think Roodt was trying to make the point that ironically Apartheid forces killed 900, yet tens of thousands of whites have died violently, through black-on-white murder since 1994; whilst living in the new improved Rainbow nation. He erred by using total murders; I suspect he did this to dilute the racial aspect.

Vanilla Ice said...

@Anon 7:31. Apparently, snigger, you are unenlightened. Perhaps you should read the TRC Report, all 5 volumes of it, snigger.

But, snigger, given that you don't read, I will help you out.

Deaths that can be related to Apartheid, even remotely – 21,000 of which 14,000 were between 1990 and 1994, committed by SDU (ANC) and SPU (IFP), as well as other forces that did not want to transition to democracy (homeland security forces, political leaders, tribal conflicts). Of the 14,000 deaths only 518 were directly as a result of security force action.

For the period 1948 – 1994:

73 deaths in detention whilst in security police custody.

37 deaths in detention whilst in uniformed police custody.

49 political executions.

7,000 political related deaths (As compiled by the ANC, based on hearsay and untested or verifiable evidence).

So, snigger, it seems Roodt was overly generous when he awarded 900 deaths to the security forces.

Vanilla Ice said...

I will add further; remember the Sharpeville riots? Before my time, but shoved down my throat as an "example" of how we "killed indiscriminately". Well 69 people were shot, and it is probably plastered all over the walls at the Apartheid museum.

How many died in the xenophobic attacks last year? 62 people, but quickly forgotten.

Viking said...

@Vanilla Ice

thanks, I didn't mean to suggest the inflated figures were in anyway accurate, quite the contrary. My point was that between 1990-4 thousands of blacks mananged to kill each other in rioting and lynching without the help of the security forces - who, as I mentioned, took pains to keep them from doing so (no gratitude for that, though, it seems from the ANC).

It seems that far from massacring "hundreds of thousands" the Old government managed to prevent such deaths(How many million have died in the Congo?). In just three years the political violence (which had nothing to do with the apartheid government) took a greater toll than "political murders" by the government from 1948-on.

Viking said...

@VI

ya, when I read that 69 had died at Sharpeville I thought it was a misprint and should have said 690!

69?
jeez.

Try 3,000 dead in Northern Ireland in 25 years- A country with one-thirtieth the population of South Africa.

Doberman said...

A very good article. Like Roodt says, either the ANC have so been indoctrinated to believe their own bullshit or they truly think "hundreds of thousands" of blacks were killed by apartheid forces. It is also distressing that they are determined to swallow up "minorities" that do not exist so they won't have to provide for their rights as mandated by the UN. Everywhere where there are minorities, their rights are protected and indeed often exceed those of the majority but the ANC is intent on extinguishing that concept from SA. This discourse would be upsetting to many who thought the ANC had truly abandoned its racist anti-white ideology.

Anonymous said...

The ANC's agenda is to ensure the Afrikaners are wiped out - any way is the right way and if they can use them as a scapegoat for all their failings even better. Once they are out of the way they can continue to plunder the country to their hearts desire and stay in power until Jesus comes, never having to account to anyone. The Afrikaners are doomed (as are the rest of the whites) and if no one can see this then they are indeed blind.

Anonymous said...

@VI: Been there. Go back to primary school darling boykie. Maybe Canada has better primaries than your SA one, given your retarded comments.

Read my comment again, on the same page as Viking's. You're cross-eyed and numbskulled by your pseudo-intellectual assumptions. YOU should read all 5 TRC volumes.

And next time provide verifiable references for your figures, as they are moot, as anyone who has done any reading on apartheid SA and lived through that time in SA, including Sharpeville, as I did, will know.

Anonymous said...

@VI. Postscript: Your reading tells you sources may differ when it comes to numbers of people killed in SA, depending on writer's bias, expertise, or stupidity.

I snigger at Roodt's expedient 900, as I've read widely on apartheid times I lived through in SA, before internet made it easy to "fact" check. e.g. I've found it impossible to verify how many people were killed during Soweto, 1976. (Call it "Uprising?" or "Riots?") "Soweto" killing numbers, according to different sources including TRC Report, differ hugely. Round figures like 600 are suspect, yet often quoted.

Then there's statistics and media expedience whether apartheid killings were "political" or "criminal." Who knows? (Cops? Hospitals? Morgues? Nat. Govt? ANC? Reporters? Writers? Bloggers?)

Several of the following I lived quite close to in SA, and knew two families that were killed / blown up in two of the massacres:

Regarding the 1999 TRC Report (and many other refs) I've read, some random TRC refs you may care to read. (Whether they are entirely true or not is moot):

SADF: Cassinga, Angola, Vol 2, 46.

SADF: Maseru, Lesotho, Vol 3, 343.

SAP: Fish River, SA, Vol 2, 226.

SAP: Cradock, SA, Vol 2, 227-228.

ANC: Limpit mine Sanlam,
Amanzimtoti, SA, Vol 2, 329.

ANC: Car bomb Magoos Bar, Durban, Vol 2, 330.

SAP: KwaNdebele, SA, Vol 2, 264.

SAP: Trust Feeds, New Hanover, SA, Vol 3, 201.

ANC / Nkatha: Natal massacres, Vol 3, 267-268.

SAP: Sebokeng, SA, Vol 3, 691.

Ciskei security forces: Bisho, Ciskei, SA, Vol 3, 136-145.

APLA: King Williams Town Golf Club, SA, Vol 3, 146-147.

ANC: Pietermaritzburg Table Mt, SA, Vol 3, 311-312.

APLA: Highgate Hotel, East London, SA, Vol 3, 147-148.

APLA: St James Church, CT, SA, Vol 3, 506-507.

SADF: Umtata, Transkei, SA, Vol 2, 600. Vol 3, 149.

APLA?: Heidelberg Tavern, CT, SA Vol 3, 508.

APLA: Mdantsane Bahai Church, SA Vol 3, 146.

ANC: Shell House, Jo'burg, SA, Vol 3, 698-699.

AWB: Jo'burg, Germiston, Pretoria, SA, Vol 3, 739.

And that's a little read of what we endured.

al said...

This black minister from America possesses an excellent understanding of his own people and the coming white revolution, please hear him out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxCqJImpOAE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFiab7fjak

al said...

Remember, AIDS cures niggers.

Doberman said...

Thanks al, if you search the blog (move cursor to top of page) and input James Manning you will find the posts we have done on him. Good stuff.

Grumbleguts said...

By Vusile Tshabalala, journalist

August 2001-- At the start of the year 1900, the number of African South Africans was found to be 3,5-million according to the British colonial government census. By 1954, our African population had soared to 8,5-million -- and by 1990, there were a full 35-million of us -- all carefully managed, closely policed, counted, shunted around in homelands and townships -- and all of us chafing and griping under the suppressive yoke of the Afrikaner Broederbond's rigid racial segregation system.
During apartheid, our population grew apace however because we also had the benefit of the Broers' medical knowledge and their excellent agricultural skills.
Our population growth and our average life expectancy in fact showed us Africans in South Africa to be in better than average health when compared to other Africans on the rest of the continent: in the decades prior to the official policy of apartheid, (which was started in 1948), the average life expectancy of African South Africans was only 38 years.
However, during the last decade of the apartheid era from 1948 to 1994, our average life expectancy had risen to 64 years -- on a par with Europe's average life expectancy. Moreover, our infant death rates had by then also been reduced from 174 to 55 infant deaths per thousand, higher than Europe's, but considerably lower than the rest of the African continent's.
And the African population in South Africa had by then also increased by 50% percent. (source: "a crime against humanity: analysing repression of the Apartheid State", by Max Coleman of the Human Rights Committee).
Deaths due to political violence during apartheid:
Max Coleman's authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.
According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid - of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.
This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.
Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans -- such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book's detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, "Black on Black" violence - hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence.
The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.
The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.
And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks, but mainly due to "black-on-black necklace murders", tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC's military wings in shopping centers, landmines on farm roads, etc.

Grumbleguts said...

D,
My reply is quite a long one. If you want to edit, or trash it, feel free to do so.

Anonymous said...

Fuck these stinking black cunts!!!

Their agenda is abundantly clear from this small article.

They want to see us destroyed as a people and our only salvation will be to wage war in return, but we will wage it in the same manner they are waging their war of "crime" against us. As they are doing to us , we must do to them - kill the women, the children, and the men.

These fucks have no idea the kind of shit-storm they will loose on themselves if this kind of fucking retarded shit continues to happen. We are patient, but that patience is NOT limitless.

Apartheid was benign compared to what is coming their way. We showed remarkable restraint and compassion.

Fuck them all.

Mr. Nice Guy has officially left the building.

Vanilla Ice said...

@Anon 9:53 and 12:58. I can't see what point you are trying to make. Although it is good to see you spent 3 hours reading the TRC report. For a senile old codger, who equates longevity with wisdom, that must have been tough. Regardless; at least you are now enlightened.

Stephan Mey said...

I'm really amazed by all the various comments.How quickly people can be sidetracked by numbers and irrelevant issues is mind boggling.the crux here is the discrimination against minority groups,in particular the Afrikaner,and other discriminatory policies based on race affecting these groups.The purpose is not to assign blame and keep bringing up the past as defenses.Our focus should be on the future and we should discuss issues as South Africans and not instinctively jump into groups based on color or background.My hope is for a truly fair and free South Africa,not just on paper(the constitution), but in reality.This will however only be achieved if all South Africans,work together as one nation and not against each other.

Let us live and strive for freedom in our land!
Ons vir jou Suid Afrika!