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I disagree that it has to do with failure to redistribute land. It has to do with the widening chasm between the haves and the have nots. No amount of pandering to the masses will change this fact. It is time for the white man to leave.
Hey VI. Respect man! Slang van Zyl, Landman and those dudes.
Knew 'em, dealt with them albeit on the other side of the desk.
Met Enslin last week, now elsewhere after they disbanded Brixton.
Will do a post on the state of the cops.
Little late to worry about ones security. About 25 at least. When I see this delusional farmers messing around with firearms in a mental state that is not matching their aims I can only feel deep pity for them. Its simply too late. The boons will do what boons always do : destroy mindlessly, maim and kill. Nothing will stop this. Its just the nature of the beast.
Vanilla,
Do you think the effort at Western Cape secession is doomed? I don't, but I do agree it will take a hell of a lot of effort.
There are some whites who simply can't leave (and I don't mean 'cant' just physically, but others emotionally, psychologically, however f*cked up, their 'cant' is) South Africa. As things get worse, providing these with an option, where they can 'leave' for the Western and Northern Cape, as is being advocated by the Cape Party (www.capeparty.com), will become a viable option. I think.
Anyway, I'd appreciate otehr thoughts on the issue, in case I ain't seeing all valid perspectives.
Yes, go to the Cape. That's exactly what the NWO wants, that whites get away from the gold mines which they want for themselves.
But you will still have blacks running to the Cape because the trade unions will be smashed and coons will have to work for nothing, just like they do on Mugabe's diamond mines. Cosatu stands for stuff all against the NWO.
I don't see the secession as doomed, but I can't envision a way forward. It might be the only viable future for whites and coloureds. The coloureds also need to start getting a voice though. Using their land claim logic should entitle the whites and coloureds to Cape land. It would be interesting to see how a land claim by whites would be handled. If it were ever to succeed it would be another Israel, permanently under siege.
I do, however, agree with Whiteadder. These people suffer from Carletonville Sinking Hole syndrome. They just can't seem to see how bad their situation is.
Vanilla,
It would be interesting to see how a land claim by whites would be handled. If it were ever to succeed it would be another Israel, permanently under siege.
Simplistically: There are many ways in which a land claim could be handled, but obviously the easiest would be, for a required majority in the Capes to vote for a party with the implicit agenda of secession; such as the Cape Party. Subsequent to receiving such an endorsement, such a party, would notify the 'Federal RSA Gov' of the intention to secede, from the Union.
As for the end result (if achieved) being similar to Israel, not necessarily. Israel is on holy ground, for 3 of the worlds major religions. The Cape's don't come close to such religious territorial fanatacism.
For a simple case of Secession, simply remember the recent case of Kosovo, and its recent unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia.
You may also be surprised that Vladimir Putin, supports (albeit on the quiet) the secession of the Lakotah tribe, from the United States. I imagine perhaps as a 'shot back' against the US, et al, for supporting Kosovo's independence.
Furthermore, secession is a VERY HOT TOPIC in Libertarian circles, on the far left and right, in the US. Vermont being an obvious example, for the left, and Montana on the Right. Montana just this week filed a monumental shot across the bow, of the FEderal Goverment, with a recent bill, allowing all guns produced locally in Montana, to not require any 'papers please' registrations. Only guns produced in Montana, determined for export across state lines, would require registration, and those imported from other states.
So, that is a simplistic means, that it could be done; and of course nothing is ever simple. But it's not nearly as 'impossible' as it sounds. Particularly not in these current times, where 'secession' is a hot topic. The left are lukewarm and vague as usual, with their little baby steps of 'relocalisation'; but the principle is the same.
@Andrea. Of course I fully appreciate the religious backdrop in Israel, South Africa's is similar, albeit race based. I cannot see black Africa allowing the Cape to fall into white/coloured hands. Not without a fight, and I think the ANC will proactively manage the demographics over the next 5 years. Of course population growth would remain a problem in the Cape. The coloureds have now probably overtaken the whites in absolute numbers, so would it not just be a matter of time before the whites would face another demographic disaster? Perhaps not.
As for losing the gold mines, I don't think that is much of an issue, but I do appreciate that the bulk of SA's GDP is produced in Gauteng.
Dachshund said:
"Yes, go to the Cape. That's exactly what the NWO wants, that whites get away from the gold mines which they want for themselves."
I disagree Dachshund. My common sense tells me they would've given us an independent Cape back when the NP won the Western AND Northern Cape Provinces at the "first free election" (they could easily have, after all they run the UN)...
No, they chose to bring all the Xhosas into the Cape after introducing floor-crossing to get rid of the NP...
WHY? Well they need white africans to run their mining operations, BUT they want only just enough of us and DEFINITELY NOT in control, as they can't buy us off and we'll tax them for the benefit of all South African Peoples (just like Vewoerd tried to tax them - and we all know what they did to him)!
We are their slaves and the blacks are the passengers - just a medium to keep us enslaved!
Surely everyone must agree that it is untenable for 87% of the land to still be in white hands after 15years? The picture that is emerging in my mind around these farm killings is of a sustained, State condoned war of attrition, disguised as crime. And it's inexorable. As VI says, time for the white man to leave.
@Vince R. I agree, except the commercial farmers are the one's under threat and they occupy a very small percentage of the total land mass. Also remember that much of SA is not arable, so the disputes are probably centred around arable land, which we know is not put to productive use once transferred.
We can slice and dice this as many ways as we like, it still amounts to a war between the haves and the have nots. No amount of pandering will correct the imbalance, we now live in a knowledge age and the have nots have no way of narrowing the gap.
@Anon 4:40 AM: The Nats should have jumped in and grabbed the Northern and Western Cape when they still had a fighting chance.
Vince,
Re: State gov. supported war of attrition; I agree. Certainly if not an intentional conspiratory, State officials certainly at the very least appear to be negligently happy at its occurrence.
I recently wrote a letter to Dr. Wingard on the issue, for his response to an article Mike Smith wrote, where I said the same thing:
Dr. Wingard, please can you clarify how many white farmers, need to be massacred, before you – and your fellow Afrikaner Intelligentsia, even begin to wonder if any guerrilla war was declared on them? How many white wives and daughters must be raped infront of their husbands, fathers and brothers, before you and your fellow Afrikaner Intelligentsia, even begin to wonder if any guerrilla war was declared on them?
A group or tribes leaders who are in denial about a conscious or unconscious and covert guerrilla war of extermination and intimidation that is being waged against the group, by another tribe or group; and that is not willing to even consider the idea, and impartially pursue the evidence therefore, to ascertain a fair and reasonable conclusion; clearly demonstrate to any other tribe or group, seeking this particular groups resources, or even simple ethnic superiority and hegemony over them; that they are easy targets for plunder; do they not?
He disagreed vehemently informing me of how pleased he was with the quality of leadership he expected from Zuma (both emails here).
It appears, if it isn't the Traitors (those whites not benefitting from their relationships to the Inner Party ANC and 'Pretend Democracy' Elite); it's the abused wife/girlfriend syndrome whites; and who knows how long it is before the former become latter. It's a form of psychological and emotional addiction; and its as difficult to get them to confront reality, as it is, to get an alcoholic to go to AA!
I mean addiction to destructive beliefs, are as old as the peddling of destructive beliefs, also a destructive belief, depending from your perspective.
@Andrea. I sincerely applaud you, and absolutely agree with your email. As for Dr. Windgat, his response completely missed the point. He exorcised himself of responsibility didn't he?
This is what Windgat had to say about Zuma:
"Smith also scorns Zuma as an illiterate. Wrong again.
Jacob Zuma has graduated from the "University of Robben Island", that island jail where Nelson Mandela spent a quarter of his life. Zuma was an inmate from 1963 to 1973 and was privileged to study economics, politics and associated disciplines with other philosophers who were interned with him.
He received several honorary doctorates, including:
--Received an Honorary Doctorate of Literature from the University of Fort Hare (2001)
--Received an Honorary Doctorate of Administration from the University of Zululand (2001)
--Received an Honorary Doctorate of Philosophy from Medical University of Southern Africa (2001).
These honorary degrees do not make him a literate man, but illustrate how true academics in his civilization rate him as a man."
Dr. Wingard you are a traitor to your people, you should be ashamed. Now take your pending book, shove it up your arse and fuck off.
@VI
"but I do appreciate that the bulk of SA's GDP is produced in Gauteng."
true. But it is people who create wealth, not mines. And most of the country's GDP is squandered there too!! and in the EC..
87% of the land may be in "white" hands, but a lot of that is in the hands of very very few whites (relatively). These are the farmers and they are hugely important as I quite like food and it's ability to keep me from starving.
We must not get into the "african" mindset which equates land with wealth. Although... sadly that view predominates in many parts of the country.
@Viking. I think we are making the same point on the land issue, and I agree with you on the GDP. It would be a matter of time and a change in direction, and the GDP per capita would again be high. I would envisage a hightech nation.
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