Every now and again we get Black coffee (aka Greg) spouting his nonsense on this blog. On a recent post ol' Black Coffee proceeded with his usual deluded worshipping and butt-kissing of the ANC and their great unwashed followers.
Black Coffee said...
HODD - the ANC are not commies.
Yes they are. Members of the ANC preach the virtues of Karl Marx. Members of the ANC are life long members of the SACP. As surely as you accuse us all of being white supremacists for associating with white supremacists, the ANC is a commie clan for associating itself with the SACP in government. Or are you going to deny the tri-partite alliance the ANC currently has with the SACP and the commie trade unions? The Commie trade unions even admit it on their home page. Follow this link to the SACP website and see who the Gen Secretary of the SACP is. None other than the former leader of the Confederation of SA trade unions, Blade Nzimande.
Notice how the SACP's Blade Nzimande, endorses the ANC on its home page. "The SACP SAYS: ONLY THE ANC-LED ALLIANCE CAN! VOTE ANC!! DEFEND OUR REVOLUTION! VOTE ANC!!"
What alliance is he talking about? The Tri partite alliance in goverment of course. Note how the SACP website has ANC written all over it.... literally written all over it... There are tons of articles on the website that prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that the ANC and the SACP are working towards the same Communist goals.
If the ANC was not communist, would it at least object to being associated with Communism?
When ANC honcho and Robbin Island hotel guest Tokyo Sexwale was rumoured to campaign for the presidency of the ANC in 2007, he gave a speech to university students, making use of communist ideology and rhetoric. “In a speech which had the country's economic future as its overarching theme, Sexwale, taking his cue from Marxism, said South Africa was now faced with the curse of a "lack of access to the means of production".
"means of production???" WTF?
HoDD says that “If it quacks like a duck it’s a duck… In this case a commie duck”. No self respecting non communist would make use of Commie talk and rhetoric. In any event, the SACP website tells it all...
Black Coffee said...
The big difference between SA and most other African
countries is that the SA government since 1994 election has respected democracy,
the rule of law and an independent judiciary.
(Read this to see how stupid your comments are. Especially of your comment that the ANC respects the Independence of the judiciary. It is a link to one of the “working documents” of the 14th amendment Bill. These working documents are pieces of “toilet paper” produced by the ANC to give the pretence of democracy. As a pro firearm activist, I have witnessed that these are dog and pony shows by the ANC. Allow me to draw your attention to the first paragraph that states (that the purpose of this bill is) “to restrict courts from hearing a matter dealing with the suspension of, or making an order suspending, the commencement of an Act of Parliament or a provincial Act;.
What does this tell you, punk? The 14th amendment Bill to the SA constitution, written by the ANC - passed by means of its 2 thirds majority - basically states that the Constitutional courts have no right to declare an ANC written law to be unconstitutional without the permission of the ANC boons in parliament. Is that what you call "respecting the judiciary"? The judiciary is NOT independent if it has to ask permission from the ANC to declare an ANC law as unconstitutional. I don’t know what ghetto you are from but judiciaries are not independent if they must ask a politician for permission to perform one of its core functions in a democracy. Do you *FINALLY* understand *WHY* Dobes and company all want to vote this monster, known as the ANC, *OUT* of office?
Black Coffee said...
As for ex-pats I see no reason why they should even be
allowed to vote. They left South Africa, but now want to affect politics of
South Africa while they sit in Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere?
The constitution of 1996 - the very same one you libbies worship to death states that SA citizens cannot be deprived of their citizenship. This right is explicitly stated in Chapter 2, Section 20 of the SA constitution. Section 19 also states that all adult citizens are allowed to vote. These expats are still citizens and thus they may vote regardless of what anti white activists like you have to say about it. If the race roles were reversed you would have supported the black expats and referred to the Constitution much like I have done. Oh wait, that’s right… I am sorry… I forgot that Black coffee thinks that white people aren’t entitled to any rights because of Apartheid.
In labour law in SA, we have a concept known as "constructive dismissal". This is illegal. This is found in Section 186 (1) (e) of the Labour relations act. What this means is that when your boss makes your life a living hell at work and you are forced to resign, it is seen as an unlawful dismissal by labour laws. Courts routinely award damages to victims of constructive dismissal.
What is the relevance of this?
These expats in OZ, and the rest of the world, lives' were made so miserable by your boon ANC friends, by means of violent crime, anti white discrimination and the likes, that they were forced to do the equivalent of resigning and leaving the company - or country. If the same principle of law was applied, these expats should be allowed to have a say in this injustice by means of the ballot at the very least and should, like the employees, be awarded financial compensation for this constructive dismissal.
Black Coffee said...
No sirs and maams, that should not fly and if it does
it shows that the ANC, whom many of you malign to no end, still gives in to
white supremacy.
When George Bizos, the man that defended Mandela at the Rivonia trials, complains about the danger of the 14th amendment Bill and when whites are deprived of their Section 19 and Section 20 constitutional rights, somehow THIS is white supremacy???? Have you no shame? The ANC is not being maligned by us. We merely cast a light on its true colours
Black Coffee said...
I just got back from listening to presentations of
research at Howard University.
Blah blah blah, we don’t care about your Marxist left wing campuses in the USA. Even Americans themselves whine about how extreme left of the spectrum that the American college system is. The ramblings of American college professors are as about as credible to us as the ramblings of right wing Nazis are to you.
Black Coffee said...
One African-American lady who specializes in South
Africa, particularly the theater in SA and how plays depict political struggles,
says she has been going to SA since 1997. Contrary to most of claims here, she
says there are visible improvements every year.
Once again: There goes Greg acting as if an American who visits here for six months is suddenly an "expert" and we who have lived here collectively - ugh I hate that commie word - for more than 2 centuries are somehow "ignorant" of Africa.
Let me explain something. The ONLY reason why SA has no collapsed yet is the presence of white people.
Additionally, please point me in the direction of this so called study that this so called Professor of yours did to show the improvement of SA. Oh that’s right, there is no study... Just the 2c anecdotal opinion of some biased black woman who refuses to believe the obvious and who is living in denial. Even if “research” existed it probably has falsified data sets and research that has not been peer reviewed. Nevertheless, research conducted by black people in ivory towers does not tie up with our reality on the ground and if the research existed, I would ignore it because the political reality on the ground is different to what you claim it to be
In conclusion: The only thing that is keeping this country from descending into a pile a garbage is the presence of white conservative people like us on this blog.
47 Opinion(s):
Very well put HODD. Excellent. You confuse Greg though with facts bud because you know facts don't work with liberals.
Ok, decision time folks, I'm getting bored with Greg/Black Coffee. Although I tolerate people's views and allow anyone to post comments provided it pertains to the subject at hand, I know he pushes too much with his ANC propaganda a touch too far for most of you.
Hands up everyone who wants BC/Greg and others of his ilk BANNED from commenting. If you guys say yes, he is gone forever.
In as much as BC is ignorant or naive, and perhaps beyond redemption, I must compliment where it is due. At least he tries to present an argument, which is far more laudable than some of the vitriolic attacks we get subjected to. Truth be told I have no problem with a dissenting view, as long as the content is well presented and encourages debate, which is usually not the case with BC. If I had to vote, I would say BC is the lessor evil ... for now, and should stay.
Put it this way...
If Greg's arguements have been countered by facts and he still insists on repeating any myths that have been debunked, then censor any future repetition of such myths.
For example, if Greg decides to state that the ANC respects the independance of the judiciary then toss his sorry ass out.
In any case, he will sign in with a new blogger name in the future.
I can have a better debate with my 7 year old than this idiot. He has been on my ignore list as it is pointless having an argument with a brick wall. He spends more time on this blog than I do, and yet he makes comments such as you have highlighted. Hasta la vista Greg
I believe that Greg is a paid agitator because it is almost impossible to be so embarrassingly one-sided and so luxuriously wrong.
Instinctively I would have voted to block him from polluting this blog.
But :
Nobody is totally useless . He still can be used as a bad example.
He represents a prime example of the thought pattern and values that got South Africa to the state it is in today and will further contribute to the Zim - like implosion further ahead. He ( of 6 months experience )gives bloggers the opportunity to counter his drivel with facts and know-how of the real situation and I think he is charging our batteries.
There can hardly be a better example as to what dimensions PC can gravitate as Greg . For this reason alone Greg should be treasured and preserved.
I believe that Greg is a paid agitator because it is almost impossible to be so embarrassingly one-sided and so luxuriously wrong.
Instinctively I would have voted to block him from polluting this blog.
But :
Nobody is totally useless . He still can be used as a bad example.
He represents a prime example of the thought pattern and values that got South Africa to the state it is in today and will further contribute to the Zim - like implosion further ahead. He ( of 6 months experience )gives bloggers the opportunity to counter his drivel with facts and know-how of the real situation and I think he is charging our batteries.
There can hardly be a better example as to what dimensions PC can gravitate as Greg . For this reason alone Greg should be treasured and preserved.
Why South Africa's Over the Rainbow
TIME.com
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1890334-1,00.html
South Africa: Fifteen Years On
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1889833,00.html
Oh let him post, hell even give him the opportunity to make a few article posts. The liberal mind is such a waste but at least we get to see how much of a waste.
Some people have been so brainwashed that they don't even see how far off they are.
Sorry guys , i am with van ice on this one - in fact i think you should invite BC to cotribute to this blog. We need someone to whip and i believe he is revealing to us what the f*cking liberal assholes are to scared to say - BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE FUCKED UP - and BC reveals to us what is going on in lal la land. Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer. As long as Greg does not threaten to create problems for this blog, why should we be the censors of free speech. Let us be the better man and let him continue spewing unatuaral gases from his Roswell craft. Greg is dealing with his consience, If he thought we were wrong, he would not read this blog. He is trying to come to terms with his "demons" and evantually he will have to give in. My opinion is, "Greg we forgive you!" You have to face yourself in the mirror everyday when/if you shave. (Your face that is) There aint nuthing like controversy and he brings it on. I enjoy this blog above all others because of the heckling and differnt view points.
Greg may be a doos but we need to undersatnd the way these folk think, even if we read it with our jaws hanging open in disbeleive. So in the spirit of this blog, my vote is "Allow him through to the next round!" But he might get voted off next week.
joe king: If you invite him to contribute, I leave... He can post in the comments section
I am not asking anyone to censor free speech. I am asking Doberman to censor REPEATED liberal propaganda that has been exposed as a lie through facts. That is not the same as free speech.
I tend to think along Christian values. If you murder, you forfeit your freedom and go to jail. If you lie REPEATEDLY then you forfeit your freedom of speech.
Thats just the way I think. This whole notion of defending your enemies' right to free speech is pure bollocks. Just my personal belief. Screw 'em... All lefties belong in jail for the murder and mayhem they have rained down on the world. 100 million dead in the name of secular lefty goverments in the 20th century... The damage done to us through propaganda far outways the benefits.
Lefty propaganda that is based in lies that is repeated and repeated ten trillion times without countering it is as damaging to the youth as porn is to the youth.
Countering lies once is ok. Second or third time; we selotape their gobs. There are many more commie lefties out there than us and if we allow repeated lies to be posted, we will lose through a war of attrition.
Time to stop playing nice with the other side. Its going to be a street fight from now on. No Queensbury rules of gentlemanly conduct.
I am sick and tired of being in this Communist "Magic Room" all the time where I am told by the left how my very existance is a crime towards humanity and how everything I do, including breathing and thinking, is a crime.
!@$!@$% the left and their black horses they rode in on.
additionaly, I want to see how greg responds to this post.
I can predict that he will do what Judy Bassingwatwhatsherface of Gun Free SA does in debates with pro firearm groups: Simply change the subject and talk about some other alleged communist "magic room" crime that we have commited and sit back and watch and laugh at how we run around putting out liberal propaganda fires started by Greg.
100% behind you Vanilla Ice.
Black Coffee provides endless food for thought, and if I may offer my 2cents: he should stay.
@Black Coffee
To you yourself I say - this was your worst comment yet. Ah, how you remind me of a young me :)
They say too much education is a terrible thing, and too much university is worse. I spent eight years at two European ones, before packing in a PhD. It's bad for the brain I tell you, and too many people become institutionalised and retain only the ability to talk out of their arses.
What I am saying to you is this. I hear you. I know where you are coming from. Even three short years ago, I might've nodded my head in agreement at your comments. But I have been living in South Africa for almost two years now, and I am learning on a daily basis exactly what the ANC is like, and what they are trying to do.
Way way back in 1994, a deal was hammered out between the ANC elite and the National Party which resulted in a Constitution which was and is widely regarded as one of the most liberal (in the true, non-rhetorical sense of the word) in the world.
Effectively, the whites handed over political power to the blacks, on condition that the ANC under no circumstances implement Communist policies, they should allow whites to maintain their property and economic power, and that they stick to the agreements that were made. They were happy enough with this at the time, and so was the rest of the World.
But, BC, it didn't stop there. There was no real guarantee that the ANC would stick to their word - and they haven't.
The only guarantor was international capital, and the worldwide community. Simply put, one hint of Marxism from the ANC, and the country would be hit financially. This is how most countries are held accountable. When JZ was elected head of the ANC last year, the Rand plunged 20% overnight. I know- I have to repay loans in Euros, so I pay close attention.
Unfortunately, Marxists are arrogant - stand up, Mr. Mugabe. Mad Bob defies the world, claiming he could make it on his own, condemning his own citizens to starvation and disease.
The ANC are trying hard to back out of the agreements they made. Zuma represents these interests, and I for one expect the next six months to be an intense period for South Africa.
I would love to see the country prosper, for many reasons. Once they start talking about "legislating Patriotism" i.e. stopping people from leaving, which they are trying to do with doctors now, the door is open for all the wrong elements in the ANC to come to the fore.
HODD - Always remember "He who angers you conquers you" Don't let them get under your skin, they have more chance of success if you let it continue unabated behind your back. The truth will prevail. This is your boxing ring, your rules, kick them in the balls. But don't back down. And point taken, I support the action to "censor any future repetition of such myths."
Whiteadder -I am certainly not a paid agitator, and if I am then I ask you where is my check from ANC? I have actually been quite critical in some of my comments on ANC when I felt they deserve criticism, like when they banned Dalai Lama from travelling to SA. Loggi - it is typical that you would say that as you hold on to idea of apartheid's golden yesteryear which never existed. I would be willing to debate you anywhere - at Wits University, on 702am radio, you name time and place. Doberman - it is up to you whether or not I continue to comment. I have other things to do with my time frankly, and when I comment it is merely to get across what I feel to be truth on a particular matter. I am in fact very flexible in my views and willing to change them as I see evidence. The only thing I am not willing to do is to become a racist, and I imagine that in itself is a problem for some people. As to HODD's post - I can accept your point that violent crime drove some people out of SA. However, what specific instances of anti-white discrimination in society, economy, etc. can you point to that, as you and some others allege, drives whites to leave SA?
Let him comment. I personally know how frustrating it is when comments I have submitted to, for example, sites like Thought Leader are obliterated. I feel like I'm being crushed by the PC Nazi's just because I have something controversial or inflammatory to say...Let's not sink to that level...(BTW, you can actually test the PC level of your comments by submitting to TL. They will take your comments as long as it still remains a bit "touchy feely good" but go too far to the right and BLAM, they delete your ass!)
Further to my comment: Here is a tester. I submitted a comment in response to an article by Alex matthews against the Daily Mail that caused such a stir last week. Submitted to the TL website at 17H30 GMT. Currently it's awaiting moderation. Lets see if they post it: And really, its just robust, not bad or hate speech...(feel free to submit your own comment and test TL on their freedom of speech!)
http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/alexmatthews/2009/04/10/debunking-the-daily-mails-doomsayer/#comment-78074
To joe King:
Bollocks
You havent seen me angry yet
Well my friends, this sucker burpchimpo I've known since my SA Sucks days.
I've corresponded with him directly as well. He is a nasty little piece of shit.
I don't really wanna say I told you so, but the facts speak for themselves. Dobe, he is a filthy, ingratiating little piece of shit who delights in creating the perception that he "merely" wants to get insight into SA. BULLSHIT!!!!!
White man really KAK - black man really good.
Forget about talking sense to him. He is a traitor to the white race and especially to his own people.
On top of that my American friends who visited him and spotted him describe him as looking like a 15 year old, he's in his 30s, never worked a day in his life, and cannot even get laid by the ousies at the kaffer varsity he's trying to get a doctorate.
So fuck him. Forget about trying to reason with him...remember where he is coming from - jiggaboo varsity and all.
Never worked a day in my life? I have worked all my life.
He must then be the guy arguing with me on another website that the kaffirs built the pyramids.
Without getting any of you more riled up, I think Joe King's suggestion is worth merit. I certainly don't want to feel that we are a band of narrow minded bigots that are intolerant of dissent, and when we find ourselves challenged we resort to slander, profanity and misguided anger, which doesn't sit well with me anyway. A diversity of opinion is always good, it challenges the the mind and bodes well for the longevity of the site.
Let the guy at least write an article so he can air the way he thinks and feels.
I would find it interesting.
First reaction is to ban his sorry ass off here.
But then we do need a joker in the pack, get rid of him then who are we going to have to entertain us with gross ignorance and single cell mentality reasoning?
I routinely write letters to newspapers condemning gun control which routinely get published. I volley the same amount of letters at the press where I address racial issues with out resorting to abuse. Not one gets published.
It is obvious that the left are intolerant of our free speech.
Therefore you should never worry about the left seeing you as intolerant bigots. No matter what you do, you will be seen as bigots anyway so don't waste your time by trying to show them how "tolerant" you are.
Stop being little prissy little princesses who worry about their appearance and their nails and make up and what the lefty wankers think of you and don those brass knuckles.
Greg has no business posting here feely or at his will until such time the left allows us the freedom to do the same in the mass media. The left cannot have its cake and eat it too.
@ HoDD... Sic boy, SIC!!! Good Dog! Now bring me that arm!
Nice to see the self proclaimed intellectual not being quite so "clevah" as he would like to be seen to be.
@ BC... You have been s-o-o-o-o nailed buddy.
Sic Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!
It's difficult to understand just why Black Coffee/Greg is so concerned about SA. He's clearly an American - notice spelling of 'check' for 'cheque' - and thinks he's an expert on SA just because Wits put up with him for all of 6 months. He's a bored youngish man who doesn't need to work for a living, which leads one to suspect that he comments on a lot of blogs under different aliases. A professional pest with a veneer of civilisation covering a devastating inferiority complex.
On the other hand: let him blather on so everyone can see he's an idiot.
HODD - I have no doubt that the MSM do not print your letters, by your comments and pennings, you do not strike me as the type to pull punches. I still maintain the you eat an elephant, one bite at a time.
Meanwhile, KillAllWhitey has suddenly turned anti-semitic.
Here's the post:
Rooster's annual Easter message to the jewish community.
"Dear Jews
As usual, this time of year, I take it upon myself to offer my message to the Jewish community . Who could forget last years “Wow , you guys sure beat the crap out of our savior” ? And I still get mail regarding my article two years ago when I asked, “ Wasn't the crown of thorns a bit much? “
This year I bring a simpler , gentler message : “ Thanks for the chocolate.”
Some Christians may feel chocolate is a small consolation when you consider that, well you did sort of, for lack of a better word, flat out murder the hell out the son of their god....but not me.
Heck ..my compassion and forgiveness can be easily bought. I don't need like for example “30 pieces of silver “. Nope ..chocolate will do just fine for me. And every year because of the blood thirsty, malicious and sadistic nature of your ethnic group's ancestors, I get chocolate .
Thanks again, and I sinerely hope you don't all burn in hell."
Rooster (Designated speaker for the free world)
Posted by The Rooster at 12:02
I'm not flogging Rooster's blog here, but (a) didn't Greg claim to be moderator at KillAllWhitey and (b) isn't Greg Jewish and (c) what the hell did Greg say or to do to make Rooster so bitter about Jews all of a sudden? Or maybe Greg never had anything to do with KillAllWhitey in the first place.
Greg is the best person to explain this.
BC does, sometimes, have a point. It's possible to go too far with the racist shit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ_Sqj7JUn8
Dachshund - Wits did not "put up" with me, I paid rent to stay at what they call "International House" which, as name implies, is housing for international students. I had an arrangement even though I was not actually a Wits student. HODD - you were a little confusing in last comment, you said newspapers do publish your letters than you say the press does not. Which press? Also, if that is case, I would say two wrongs do not make a right. Also, I do not consider myself a "leftist." When it comes to gun control, I am completely against any type of gun control, whether in US or SA. In US I have heard that Obama wants more gun control and if that is so that is one issue on which I disagree with current president. My reasons are simple. Gun control hurts law-abiding citizen not the criminals. Even where you have a fully competent and professional police force most of what they do is after the fact and 99% of the time if you get attacked by a criminal or criminals the police will be nowhere near you and your family. On your earlier points, I was not aware that ANC introduced the bill you referred to. What is their reasoning behind that bill? Also you say white expats were forced out. I can see your point regarding crime forcing them out, but can you give concrete examples of anti-white discrimination please? Also, do expats maintain a dual citizenship in SA and their new country? If so, then I stand corrected and they should be allowed to vote. However, I thought it was like with my parents who when they left former USSR gave up Soviet citizenship. If immigrants from SA are able to maintain dual citizenship I wonder how they are able to do so when as far as I understand most leave with no intention of coming back to SA, other than on short visits to remaining family members. SA laws can be at least as confusing as American ones.
Fellas, what happened to your spirit of ubuntu? In view of Greg's difficulties with the sistas at his tribal college we should start the 'Greg fornication fund', send him one of the local sistas, together with a supply of beetroot and garlic, and he will either change his tune or disappear 'from natural causes'.
ugh Greg. Give it up huh?
I have dual Nationality with a EU country and SA even though I was born in SA. You just have to inform the munts in the ANC Dept of Home Affairs that you are travelling with 2 passports. Laws vary from country to country.
The point I was making was that if your dismissal from employment is due to Constructive dismissal, the courts regard the situation as if you should never have been dismissed in the first place and that you are entitled to compensation because your employee right to remuneration for work rendered (as stated in the employement contract) is taken away under unlawful circumstances.
The same happens with our expats. Their lives are made so miserable by crime etc that they are forced to migrate to another country when under normal circumstances they would not have migrated.
By doing this (leaving for OZ), their citizenship becomes meaningless. They are now SA citizens on paper only and their Section 19 and 20 Constitutional rights become now meaningless.
Being a citizen is more than just owning a passport. Its about participating in the direction of the country and helping the country become successful.
This is no fault of their own and according to righteous thinking, their rights as citizens should not be have been revoked or diminished due to this constructive emigration or forced removal. Where are the liberals NOW to screech about the forced removal of whites from SA? Migration is not voluntary when it has been "constructed" by the ANC its criminal foot soldiers who murder elderly white farmers in the rural areas. The only difference is that the MO is different. You were screaming like banshees in the 1980s about the forced removals under the apartheid government Police. Seems like you lefties have double standards and that you never really were interested in "equal rights" for black and white otherwise you would be picketing outside the SA embassy just like your pals did in the 1980s.
This is partially why we see your "multi culti" utopia as a continuation of a race war against us and not some misguided attempt to achieve peace. If it wasn't a race war against us, you would be chaining yourselves to bulldozers outside Luthuli house and SA embassies across the world calling for the end to the white genocide of farmers and ethnic cleansing of whites and the MSM would be giving it non stop coverage 24/7.
If you want to end discrimination and so called "white supremacy" GREG, all you have to do is for you lefties to have the same attitude to the ANC as you did with whites. Your 2c comments are not good enough. We wont riot because we arent hooligans like you. Instead we have blogs. The MSM wont cover our protests on the streets anyway...
But you lefties arent going to do that, are you? You will remain silent as white people's rights are stripped whereas you will scream blue murder if a whitey harms a hair on the head of a black terrorist. This "war" will continue so long as the left exercizes this double standard against whites.
Its sort of like saying that a corporation has the right to revoke your employee contractual rights simply because the boss forced you out of the company by making you resign.
Endorsing the revoking of expats right's under these circumstances will warrant my giving you a fat lip.
AS for showing you concrete proof of what you asked for: All you need to do is google it. Surveys have been done where expats have cited the reasons for their migration. Crime tops the list. Second is anti white discrimination. the crime element should be enough to convince you anyway.
Even if you are not convinced, the lefties are still GUILTY of "constructive dismissal" of our citizen rights
AS for not knowing about this bill, well boohoo. YOu seem to know everything about Apartheid. Try examining their current history in the making. You will see that your beloved ANC will turn this country into Zimbabwe.
In the meantime, we will not be beaten into submission with guilt trips and white lib guilt. Take the WLG and stick it
Your homework for today is for you to give me a 1000 page essay on why you think the ANC is not a communist organization.
My essay is one line long :
http://www.sacp.org.za/
Oh and the MSM that you wanted to know about?
Citizen.co.za
star.co.za
Capeargus.co.za
The list is endless. I am now bored
Goodbye, you are the weakest link
http://www.sacp.org.za/
Eeeeeeewwwww, HODD! It's been a while since I looked at that website. Now the 3 flavours of banana are on there too!! well, well.
I want to to know how those low-life filth that are the ANC and SACP think Democracy and Communism works together? Just a 67IQ poorand hungry black dimwit would believe this propaganda.
And the bloody revolution they are still harping on about. WHAT revolution????? When the last white in SA has died or fled, I'm sure they will still claim they have a revolution on hands against apartheid. Aaargh!
Die ou voortrekkers het te veel Bybels en te min gewere gehad!
I think I need to get up and walk around a bit and vent verbal abuse out aloud, for a while.....
...and that folks is the coup de grâce.
"...what specific instances of anti-white discrimination in society, economy, etc. can you point to that, as you and some others allege, drives whites to leave SA?..."
Black Coffee, no use asking questions if you don't bother to listen to answers...I have explained these two 'Instances' to you many weeks ago, but I'll try again...
AA and BEE. Ok?
@BC: It's only when you officially emigrate from South Africa that you are no longer a citizen. That is the law. Don't confuse the issue of whites fleeing crime in SA with your parents fleeing the pogroms in Russia, although the situation is similar. Your parents never wanted to return to Russia - they would have been killed - and were registered as immigrants in the US after revoking their meaningless Russian citizenship.
It's a different thing for SA citizens working in other parts of the world who are prevented from getting other citizenship because of the current global situation. When your parents went to the US, that country needed immigrants. Things have changed.
There are still many South Africans who mourn what has become of their country and have always hankered to come back, even if SA has black majority rule. We hadn't bargained on the ANC making such a mess of things in 15 years. We hadn't bargained on the treachery of being asked to hand in our guns as a gesture of goodwill only to have them turned against us. We hadn't bargained on being lied to about their promise of no more discrimination, only to find them going back on their word and forcing whites out of the country with their destructive affirmative action policies.
You come from a wealthy family in America and have just suffered a dent in your trust fund. For us things look a lot bleaker.
HODD - I do not have time to respond to your lengthy comment which is full of anger, but I will say a couple things: as tragic as murder of white farmers is I am not convinced that it is a genocide. If I thought it was I might do just as you suggest in front of Luthuli House on my next trip to SA. What I have heard and read is that part of the farm murder problem is that it goes along with general crime problem of SA. Many other people suffer murders and other terrible crimes in SA, especially in poor townships, but you never hear about them because they do not have resources to get their issues into the papers and on the Internet the way the SA farmers do through their various organizations (I am thinking of Transvaal Farmers' Union or something along those lines). Part of the farm murder problem, and I know some will not want to hear this, but what I heard from blacks I spoke to in SA on this, is disgruntled farm workers taking revenge for abuses they received from white farmers. As for Tri-Partite alliance, that exists, yes, and it is part of the legacy of liberation struggle when for many years ANC, SACP and unions came together. However, despite this official alliance if you look at the policies of ANC government under Mandela and then Mbeki, it has been often at odds with what the SACP and COSATU wanted. Thus you have groups like AntiPrivatization Forum, who claim that ANC's policy has been too much pleasing of foreign and domestic investors and not taking into consideration impoverished masses of SA. What I am saying here is I know what the websites say, there is a formal alliance between ANC, SACP and COSATU, but if you look at ANC policy for past 15 years it is anything but Marxist. It remains to be seen whether that will change under Zuma. I suspect he will not let SA go fully communist, but I hope that he does pursue policies that take poverty alleviation and unemployment reduction seriously. I also expect that if Zuma actually delivers on some of things he has promised, like eliminating bail for violent offenders and working to eliminate corruption from SAPS, SA may see serious reductions in crime rate. That's why if I was an SA citizen I would take a chance on Zuma regardless of what he may or may not have done in some arms deal that took place almost 10 years ago. I may be missing something about Zuma, I admit, and I think the worrying part is how much we do not know about Zuma. But that is my take on things at the moment.
Black Coffee said...
... but I will say a couple things: as tragic as murder of white farmers is I am not convinced that it is a genocide...
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oh good grief... Its so easy countering lefty lies like this. Now I know why the rest of you want Greg around as a punching bag
To see what a farce your comment is, go to
A Bloody harvestThis Youtube video was posted on Youtube by none other than Dobes himself.
Its a ten minute video where towards the end, Dr Gregory Stanton of the United Nations genocide watch stated that the Boers are on Stage 5 or 6 or 7 or something along those lines on the 9 or so stage of Genocide.
Now I ask you politely with proverbial metaphorical tears in my eyes, why should anyone believe your 2 cent opinion of genocide when REAL experts with REAL Phds from the UN say otherwise?
Dr Stanton has been researching genocide for more than 20 years now and has researched the Rwandan and Cambodian genocides.
Hodd - 2
Greg - 0
Any more lies that you want me to counter?
I am aware of what Dr Stanton said. However, he is just one expert among many and I am not sure he has studied the SA farm murder problem at length, nothing in that video indicates that he has. Did you also listen to Charles Ngakula's comments on that same video about how this is all just crime and not part of some hidden agenda? It is easy to dismiss Ngakula as just another ANC demagogue as I am sure you do, but it seems to me you practice the closed-mindedness that you imply I do.
@BC
This is the first time you've really pissed me off.
Farm murders are genocide. Genocide is the deliberate murder of an ethnic group because of their race. "Normal" robbers don't usually kill their victims - they need you to buy new stuff for them to steal again next time. Evidence from farm murders shows the unnecessary nature of many of the killings. Disgruntled farm workers after revenge? Well, they would have no jobs if they killed their employers, would they?
A more likely explanation is that the murderers are those who would be likely to claim the land (like Zim farm invaders) when the farmers are dead and gone - killing people to take their land is genocide. Killing people because they are white is GENOCIDE.
Having said that, you are right in that the ANC has not pursued a Marxist policy - YET. They know they can't. If they start, investors will pull out and the whites will leave, then their poverty will get MUCH worse almost immediately.
That doesn't mean they don't WANT to pursue a Communist agenda. I'm all for poverty alleviation, but as we all know communism isn't the way to do it. Zuma, as a populist, may choose to bow to the pressure from "the peepal" to start the ball rolling.
Ngakula is also the clown who told 2 white MP's to leave the country as tgey were complianing about crime & farm murders. Sounds a little like a racial biggot to me.
I'm sitting here pissing myself!! I heartily subscribe to old Voltaire's views on free speech, but is that not limited to persons with a modicum of intelligence?
What you folks don't know is that ol' Greg, the village idiot and honourary honky at the floppie varsity, actually incited people to flag the SA Sucks blog which eventually resulted in it having to register its own website, threatened to refer us to Luthuli House (he probably did) and actively participated in that silly little killwhitey site.
All the while corresponding with us...
Remember - his mantra being all whites are evil, all blacks are good, it is so absolutely embedded in what passes for a brain that one cannot reason with him.
If he is used as a punching bag, thats cool by me, but wasting time reasoning with him? You lie with dogs, you get up with fleas... Talk about casting pearls before swine...!!
Oh Greg, care to share your thoughts on why Haiti, having been black ruled for more than 200 years is such a jewel of prosperity? Or Liberia, a beacon of light and hope in Africa? Or Detroit?
Albertus - I shouldn't even bother responding to what you wrote, but to set record straight: Last year or in 2007 I said some things out of anger to SAS bloggers and I later apologized for it. I never flagged that blog however, nor did I contact anyone at Luthuli House about it. And even if I had I am sure they have more important things to worry about than online spats. As to questions you raise - what is your point about Detroit? When was the last time you went there? And why do you bring it up as an example? Why don't you bring up middle-class, predominantly black portions of Prince Georges County, Maryland as an example? Also, you are wrong about my mantra and are twisting it around. I call things as I see them based on history that I know. However, I also try not to cut blacks any slack.
Viking - I am sorry that my comments angered you, I see that farm murder issue is a sensitive one for many of you. I acknowledge that based on evidence there is an element of hatred that often goes into the murders, that was certainly the case in murders described in video. However, to be a genocide it has to be, I think, in massive numbers along the lines of Rwanda in 1994. I do not see that is the case with farm murders in SA. Also, if it is genocide, then why did a commission which looked into this conclude that it was part of regular crime aggravated by fact that farmers live in isolated areas which makes them easy prey. Johan Burger, a white man, headed the commission that made that conclusion. Was he wrong, biased towards the government? Why would the government be behind this when there is a process for land restitution in SA? I have not heard of any cases where murderers later claim the land. I have read of cases though where accused farm murderers end up being ex-employees.
@BC. In as much as you get a lot of flak, and piss many people off, you are being given a platform to air your views, and I think that is good. Of course you are experiencing a lot of anger and bigotry, but that is also understandable given the level of strife in South Africa. Perhaps you have never had to deal with the trauma of a murder, many of us have, and naturally we will define our enemies in broad terms. I certainly would enjoy a more erudite argument from you, where you can suggest why Africa has hope and why we should treat it any differently. Explore a radical departure from the norm. Use your charisma to convince people.
Dobes is baaaack. The deed is done. The vote is cast. If the count was done today the ANC would lose by a landslide.
Eish, but eh, ehm ..refreshed. I want to thank all of you for keeping YOUR blog going. This is not my blog, it belongs to all of us. I was off-line for a few days hence my silence but now big gob is back..;)
Ok, I've corresponded with Greg directly and told him to stop being insensitive. Saffas are feeling pain and to dismiss us as "racists" or "rightwingers" is only going to piss people off - me first.
This blog is about as middle-of-the-road as you can get so this is it or nothing, Greg.
L-I-S-T-E-N to white Saffas for a change. Keep an open mind. Last chance china.
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