By Guy White
We don’t need Afrocentrist morons repeating the same idiotic things, such as the imbecilic idea that Africans can only be black when clearly DNA evidence shows that Africa north of Sahara was/is Caucasian. Now go away.
As the late Arthur M. Schlesinger recounted in his 1991 alarum about multiculturalism, “The Disuniting of America,” Mr. Hilliard urged schools to teach black students that Egypt was a black country; that they discovered America long before Columbus did; that Robert Browning and Ludwig von Beethoven were “Afro-European”; and that the Atlantic Ocean was originally named the Ethiopian Ocean.
All of these are standard black claims. Why would the [Atlantic] Ocean be called “Ethiopian Ocean” if Ethiopia is in eastern Africa, while the Ocean is to its west? Browning was Afro-European because his last name contained the word “brown”? What other reason is there? And Beethoven was black because…? Why is it again? Did I miss his rap singles?
If blacks reached America before Columbus then what did they leave behind? And more importantly, where are the great African ships or at least wrecks of ships that were capable of crossing the Atlantic?
The most interesting claim is Egypt, however.
Below are Egyptian coins:

Clearly we can see that ancient Egyptians were white, about the same as Italians. In fact, ancient Egyptians are not descendants of modern Arab Egyptians. Arabs are occupiers and colonisers. Coptic Christians are the real descendants of ancient Egyptians, though even the Copts now have significant Arab blood.
Red hair occurs almost exclusively among people with white DNA. Egyptian Pharaoh RamsesKing David of the neighbouring Israel were described as having red hair by both the Bible and non-religious documents. (the nemesis of Moses) and
Adam, the alleged first man, and the ancient Egyptian God “Set” were both described as redheads showing that this hair colour was quite normal in the ancient Middle East. This too shows that ancient Egyptians were white.
Blacks were not even present in Egypt, except as slaves. It was, in fact, illegal under many pharaohs for blacks to enter ancient Egypt as anything other than slaves, not even as diplomats.
Many Egyptian mummies are extremely well preserved to the point where you can count the number of eye-lashes. It’s very clear while looking at the mummies that these people were similar to Italians (and probably were lighter-skinned than Greeks) and had nothing to do with sub-Saharan Africans.
The scintillating black logic that Egyptians were black operates like this:
1) Blacks lived in Africa;
2) Egypt was in Africa;
3) Therefore, Egyptians were black.
Never mind that blacks didn’t live in all of Africa.
This is similar to saying:
1) Persians lived in Asia;
2) China is in Asia;
3) Therefore, Persians built the Great Wall of China.
Blacks need not look at mummies, paintings or coins. They need not review literature contemporary to the times when ancient Egypt existed.
They can just take credit for others’ achievements and if you counter them, they’ll call you racist.
83 Opinion(s):
Well done! At last, you guys are fighting back against the fools who believe the nonsense spewed by those who would have "Africa" black!
Anyone willing to do any of their own research knows the truth about "white" North Africa!
At least Zuma is not as much of a racist as Mbeki and Mandela!
I think if we go back and look at all the great civilisations that fell, there will be a common denominator. It is probably the influx of relative turd world immigrants. As Mark Twain said "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhyms."
Explain this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2677919.stm
Hello? The Sudan is not Eqypt. And the issue at hand is who built the pyramids - in Egypt. Blacks certainly did not. The article does not state that the 'pharoahs' bodies were found inside pyramids, just besides some ruined temples. Whoop dee doo da day. Again, what do you want to prove with the article?
Are you on drugs? Take a look at all the pharoahs and tell me they are white?? Get out of here with this garbage, even the greeks who came over and took over wrote that the egyptians were black, but you still say different...
@Anon 8:07. Well if you want to split hairs, let's first define what is black and what is white. You will find, once you define black as being of the sub-Saharan variety, the Egyptians were white.
lol this is the funniest article I've ever read this must be a joke. there is no sense of any research at all just zeal to whiten up egypt, and its evident in this silly article like rancid milk. First anthropologist agree that egypt was first inhabited by peoples out of the sub Sahara. those coins you showed are obviously of a Hellenistic period the reflect the work of Greece. Greece invaded egypt (go figure)
The Egyptians that were shown look noting like those coins. The Egyptians depictions of themselves is almost always consistent with the look of surrounding east such as Ethiopians andhttps://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gif sometimes lighter north Africans. Just look at the bust of Tut. Also the first inhabitants of Egypt which is also partly Nubia were of the same stock people of the same migration. Analysis of Nubian and Egyptian mummies, shows that not only were these people ethnically similar they were genetically similar as well. The claim that Egyptians were similar to Italians is laughable. Look at the Egyptian tombs look at nubians and Ethiopians and Eritreans and Somalians you will whether they bear resembles to these people their neighbors, or Italy. And by the way lets not pretend that the moors didn't run through Europe like a track meet. lol
Funny coincidence. I think your claims are a joke. See how this works? You say one thing, someone else says another. Try and keep up. Meantime, keep that head up your arse.
If blacks which originated from west Africa built the pyramids, no doubt you will forward me the pics/ links to similar pyramids strewn all over the rest of central and west Africa. How about Kenya, Tanzania? No? That's right, there are NONE!
Sub-Saharan blacks did not build the pyramids but then again, that's only my opinion. Indeed there were virtually no two or three tier structures to be found anywhere in Africa below the Sahara Desert unless of course you can produce those for me via some obscure link.
this Subsarahan= a certain phenotype.The Subsahara doesn't even include parts of Nigeria, nor Niger Chad parts of Sudan Mail..ect,People living in those countries are black though. Black people inhabited and still inhabit all of Africa to varying degrees. In the Libyan desert there are depictions of black people. Of course I know about Berbers, however Berbers did not inhabit Egypt.Egyptians were primarily comprised of the native people that migrated there from sou rounding countries, which would include parts of west Asia which would also influence nubia. However since the genetic relationship as well as ethnic, of the earliest inhabitants of egypt is close, and we know they came from the same migration(the sub-sahara), there's no question that the Egyptians were black people, or at the very least partly black people. Has anyone taken a look at Madagascar? lol By the way I just want to say that I love South africa, and YOU CANT USE REVERSE RACISM TO FIX ANYTHING, PEACE TO ALL MY AFRICAN PEOPLE ALL ( white and black)
PS:And I hope my comments are being put up , and that this isn't a biased blog, I would like to join if this is a place were I can discuss and feel free to talk to other people
We will never exclude anyone who wants to put forward his/her opinions to which they are entitled. One proviso though, stay on topic or particular subject being discussed.
@Anonymous 3:25pm
There is a school of thought that claims that black sub-Saharan Africans built the pyramids and most of the Egyptian Empire. Most sensible people seek to refute this, although are afraid to do so for fear of being called racist. As with more historical subjects, there is politics involved.
You can argue all you like about migration, but ultimately all people come from Southern Africa, it depends how far back you want to go. Egyptians were a Semitic people, related to the Hebrews, Assyrians, Arabs etc, thier society was multicultural, they employed black Nubians in their army, and Greek and Cretan artisans and soldiers as well. And this is in the Bronze Age (c.1200BC)
Very few people would argue the Egyptians had blonde hair and blue eyes (I don't think anybody does argue that), but to say they were closely related to black Africans is just wrong.
The Berbers are an anomaly, but Europeans have been colonising Africa for centuries. The Carthaginians, Macedonians, Romans and Vandals were all light-skinned and occupied parts of North Africa.
But the people who are claiming blacks built the pyramids aren't talking about any of that, there is next to NO research behind what they say - it's just political. They think Egypt= Africa= Black and that does not wash with this archaeologist.
please don't insult my intelligence, Africa=egypt=black....lol I just talked about white Berbers, I mentioned the influence of Malay people in Madagascar, and west Asia in Egypt. However what is truly ignorant it the idea, that black originated in west africa....lol the Khoisan are black people however they are the oldest in africa, that should tell you something, they possess the oldest genetic markers. Khoisan are in south africa by the way, and by logic pure logic, if human kind sprung up out of africa and they developed darker skin to protect themselves against the sun, don't you think when they were expanding out of africa they would have come across the area known now as egypt/nubia....lol Any anthropologist will tell you that the first inhabitants of egypt migrated via the sub-sahara. theres evidence of life as far back as 10,000 bc, we are still talking about expansion period in human migration. you know whats wrong with people its all a matter of comfort. it like when you tell a little kid he/she cant play with their toys anymore. For years, the truth was skewed, no one complains when all of Egyptians were depicted as blue eyed blond people with sometimes with tans, or how Jesus is always portrayed no one ever challenged those views because were used to them. and by the way to the person asking if they are pyramid structure in west africa there are and if you'd like me to post them just ask
To anyone who thinks that Africans are White, you are a asinine fools. I'm sick of white people trying to get their grubby litte hands on everything black. I don't care about reading research you people made up. I know the truth and my proud black people know the truth. You guys wish you could be us, it will never happen- NEVER. Go ahead and make everyone power white- but we will always know the truth. your race has done nothing but take, take and take.. thats it. We will continiue to pass down the real truth. ALL AFRICANS WERE ORIGNIALLY BLACK----ALL AFRICANS until white people invaded it and had white babies in Africa. Filling up Africa with your kind and then lying about history is sad and pathetic. Your ancestors should be ashamed. I won't read your ignorant post. I stumbled on this website by accident so write what ever you want, why don't you make Harriet Tubman and Martin Luther King white too.
Tut tut settle down there my Sollie boy. Ranting is yer thang aint' it? Facts, well, that's another thing altogether. You go play "I'm a happy deluded black fool" and let us be the grown ups. Off to west Africa where you belong.
Btw, Egypt is in North-East Africa where er, no blacks existed. And did you know Egyptians TAKE OFFENCE, that's OFFENCE at being called black because, dammit, facts again, they are NOT black. Jes thought you'd like to know. As for MLK etc, nope, you can keep them.
And another thing, I'm a 4th generation African, born in Africa, raised in Africa but gosh darn it, I am WHITE. How can it be, I hear you asking? Because not all Africans are black idiot. Fuck off to that hole you crawled out of. You embarrass your race.
Doberman you cocksucker you son of a bitch you cannever be african. you claim to be african buy we can see your blood though your skin. i think you need a steroid break. egyptians were black stop looking at your stupid coins and look at their hair and features dats how you judge race. do you have hair like ancient egytians? no i bet you dont. west africans have hair like that and there is no way in hell you can take away the fact that egyptians were black and from that you will also know israelites were black too. if you want trouble you have found el aamil. bitch!
"If blacks reached America before Columbus then what did they leave behind?"
Empty KFC buckets and crack vials?
@El Aamil
A poodle also has the same kind of hair. Does that make it black too?
So where did all these blacks go? Population don't get lighter, you know, they get darker.
Bitch.
@ Viking: Do we then deduct, after careful analyses and El Aamil's poodle-like outburst, that he/she/it is a black poodle with Egyptian hair, senstive stomach (hence the uncontrolled farts) and a few popped arteries on the brain?
@Islandshark
looks like it!
He does have a soft spot for Dobes though I think.
Assuming you are black El Aamil, you could always start building pyramids, or something else that may be noteworthy, now. Or maybe you should just work on good language. That'll be a start.
Islandshark & Viking. Lol!!! Having a good laugh.
There seems to be a correlation between extremist rantings and spelling/grammar (you sometimes also see a correlation in CAPITALISATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Hey El Aamil, heh heh, always love receiving the love letters. You put your point forward so eruditely, I can't help but think your ancestors did build the pyramids, NOT. Crawl back into that camel's arse from whence you came sand-nigger.
Call me stupid but to me all of it doesn't matter. The ancient Egyptians are dead so that's it really. You weren't living in their time so all you can really do is guess, look at other research and ancient coins/pictures that may or may not be accurate. Who knows, because with all the pictures of ancient Egyptians they all vary anyway so how can you really be sure. Also from the time of the Ancient Egyptian until now their appearance has probably changed a lot. I'm not saying they were black but i really do doubt they were white, since they are nearly always described and pictured as a tanned race. By the way on both sides the racism isn't needed, why is it that people can not debate like nice little intellectual boys/girls without bringing about race without actually being racist. The way i see it is, your racism makes you seem really ignorant after all that interesting debating. Hmmmm and i was enjoying it as well.
@ anon 11:07, incorrect, it does matter because as long as blacks (the truly black negro kind from darkest west Africa) who never traversed the Sahara desert say THEY built it by virtue of the pyramids being in Africa which is akin to a Russian saying his people built the Great Wall of China because it is on the same continent as Russia then we have to keep putting the facts before everyone.
And the second error you state, enough evidence does exist to determine who and what built the pyramids.
Finally, we do try and discuss all issues including matters of race quite civilly here, my record bears me out however I was responding to a rather nasty comment and in that case it is always apt to return the compliment in kind.
@ Anon 11:07. You do realise that every time Whitey stands back and accepts the revisionist history and hi-jacking of his achievements it allows the races so inclined to just demand more and conjure up yet another "entitlement".
The sooner certain people realise that appeasement is not the answer to those who can do nothing but demand, the better this world will be. And I include white people too. There are white people also inclined to do nothing but demand everything, like benefits-for-lifers in Britain.
@Anon
grow up! nobody think the Egyptians looked like Germans!
Even Zawi Hawass, head of the national Museum and one of the world's leading Egyptologists argues firmly against the idea that the Egyptians were West Africans. This has been MADE a race issue by black pseudohistorians.
Doberman....ok well I'll rephrase that, to me it doesn't matter. I don't know what evidence there is since I haven't ever researched this. However it's obvious that there's evidence on both sides because it's causing this whole debate. I can understand what your saying since i saw that you were just retaliating to what someone said, that's why i said on both sides. Even so, you can retaliate to a racist without having to go to their levels.
Islandshark, i do realise that....
Viking,I'm young I have many years to grow up thank you. Also I don't recall myself saying they looked like German's thanks. By humoring them you've also made it about race as much as they have.
Anyway, i only came on this because i thought it was interesting so I'm taking myself out of this debate and you guys can carry on.
What are you people stupid or missing some fuses in your head?
Egyptians weren't from West Africa and it's actually incorrect to round up people as a race.
They say if Ancient Egyptians were blacks, where are the Pyramids in whole of Africa? well that's a good question and it's should be asked, if they were whites, where are the Pyramids in Europe?
No one can really and accurately say how they looked like(maybe someone can), their paintings, language and race issue can only be interpreted and interpretation can always be used for good or for bad.
For what it's worth, Ancient Egyptians is now a history, a civilization that ended.
If you think white is good enough or black or Asian, why don't you as an Individual of a race make something worthy and just save a breath stop nonsense gibberish you spew all over here.
Anyway we are all human beings and if science is correct as it is, we all originated from Africa and it doesn't really matter.
Pride should be achieved not used for personal gains without sweating for it.
So, have fun children.
Dy
@ Dy, what a mouthful of gibberish. "We are all human". Straight on cue: standard pc-speak. Says a lot for the peecee indoctrination you have been preached. Try and think outside the box m'dear.
Yeah, we surmise humans built the pyramids, duh, but which race or ethnic group is of interest and what is being debated is that west African blacks DID NOT build them whereas they claim they did. Geddit? Unlike you, facts matter to us grown ups. Go Facebook or Tweet or something. You bore me.
Since when does having brown skin become a white person? I thought you had to have white skin to be white. The Egyptian Art that you show doesn't look like white people to me. Their skin looks brown. The same color as mine, and I am an American who is labeled as "black" but is a descendant of African, European, and Native American peoples. Just like many other Black people in America, our skin colors range from very light complexions to very dark complexions because of our mixed ancestry. Looking at the Egyptian Art, I see people of many varying skin colors... from light brown to very dark skin. How can you say that they are white, when we can clearly see that they are not? You are telling an obvious lie. It is obvious to me that they were a melting pot of peoples and cultures and the people there were of mixed ancestry. In the ignorant world that we live in now, these people would have been considered black by white people, because they have black people in their heritage (even though there was asian and European genetic influence). But in ancient Egypt, they did not divide along color lines. In short, they were a mixture of many peoples, but dark skinned people were a huge original base of their population ... as evident in any of their Ancient Art… Especially during the time of the Pyramids. Egypt was invaded by the Persians, Greeks, and Romans well after the pyramids were built. Also, you can look at Egyptians today and see that they are not white. Neither are they black. They are clearly a mixture of many ancestries. Also, why would anyone believe that a land that is literally surrounded by dark-skinned people, would not itself contain and be influenced by these people? It doesn't make any common sense. That's like telling children in the future that South Africa was originally white people. Or that America was originally white people. Or that Australia was originally white people. Anyone with a brain can see that the immediate surrounding native peoples of these lands are of a different ancestry. And if the native peoples are not white then how can the original people of those lands be white? Believing that white people are the native peoples of any land when it is obvious that the land is surrounded by other native peoples... is quite foolish. Your basic argument is that, “even though Africa is the native land to black people and even though Egypt is in Africa and is surrounded by lands inhabited by black people, Egypt itself did not contain and was not influenced at all by black people. Black people in no way shape or form had anything to do with Egypt, even though Egyptian art work has a multitude of dark skinned people in them, with dark hair and dark eyes and is similar to art work that is found in other surrounding nations that contain black people.” Now, does that make sense to you? That’s like saying "the color grey is really white and not at all influenced by the color black, because the color black is too inferior to have anything to do with the color grey, but white people are really grey people, too"…. And if that is your conclusion, then you are the most supreme evidence of ignorance and brainwashing I have seen in a very long time. Not only is it a weak argument, it doesn't make any logical sense. Also, Some of you are trying to define Black as being from a Sub-Saharan region. Why is this???? How is being black, regional... but being white is not? I think your thought patterns are quite hypocritical and lacking in the ability to think rationally.
@Ladymystic
You and many other have missed the point, and on top of that have your facts dead wrong.
The hypothesis is : The ancient Egyptians were black Africans, in the vein of Nubians and modern West Africans.
Modern Egyptians say no, this is bollocks, and we are (largely) agreeing with them. "Caucasian" tends to include middle-Eastern people, depending on who you ask, and Caucasian is the same as white, depending on who you ask. The issue is not 'were they white?' but 'were they black?' and the answer is no.
Factually, historically, the ancient Egyptians were NOT "literally surrounded by dark-skinned people" as you state.
To the North is sea, to the West are Libyans, or Meshwesh people, who looked similar to Egyptians. To the East were Semitic peoples and these also looked similar to Egyptians. Far to the South lay some black Africans, whose cultural influence was not strong enough to influence that of Egypt proper.
In Ancient Egypt they DID divide amongst colour lines - they were obsessive about ethnicity. See the Medinet Habu reliefs, they portray foriegners in an array of different body and clothing styles, differentiating between them almost academically.
Viking, The person who wrote this article wrote this: "Clearly we can see that ancient Egyptians were white, about the same as Italians." This is a quote taken directly from the article…The author is clearly trying to say that Egyptians were white and not black. So, it seems to me that it is you who are missing the point. I am merely saying that they were not white. And neither were they black. They were a mixture of ancestries which included white and black and others. If they were not, then why does nearly all Egyptian Art depict themselves as different colors. Including very black skin? Would you draw yourself with having brown and black skin if you are not brown or black? Again, that’s like telling the children of the future that the Country of USA contained only white people and not black or anything else. That would be a complete lie. The truth is that the Native peoples of America were conquered by Europeans who brought African slaves to the continent (and other people also migrated here)… so the result is a land of many peoples and is influenced by the presence of all of these people. Just as in Egypt (and all of North Africa), the original native peoples were indeed black people, however overtime, lighter peoples migrated to North Africa and thus the result was a mixture of all of these people living together. Also, it is not true that black people were "very far" to the south. I'm sure you have heard of Nubians. They were unmistakably black people. The land of Nubia is part of the Nile Valley, and it lies partly in southern Egypt (until it was permanently flooded by the Aswan Dam in the 1960's) and partly in northern Sudan. Sudan borders Egypt to the South and is North of the Sahara Desert. You can find this information anywhere and everywhere. There is plenty of evidence showing that Nubia was actually part of Egypt. And plenty of evidence that Nubian Kings existed and ruled in Egypt at different times ...as well as in Sudan... which again is not "far south" but actually borders Egypt. So my question to you is why do you continue to perpetuate the lie that black people were only "very far south" or Sub-Saharan when there is plenty of evidence to support the fact that they were also very far north as well? Are you lying on purpose or out of ignorance of the facts? I'd really like to know. And for anyone else out there who wants to know the truth. Just look up the word "Nubia" or "Cush/Kush" in any search engine or encyclopedia and you will see that black people were indeed North of the Sahara Desert and were part of Egypt. Do your own research and do not believe the lies.
Viking, you also said "In Ancient Egypt they DID divide amongst colour lines - they were obsessive about ethnicity. See the Medinet Habu reliefs, they portray foreigners in an array of different body and clothing styles, differentiating between them almost academically". Again I say, they did not. Perhaps you don't realize it, but people of one ethnicity can be of different colors. For example, I and my sister have a light brown complexion but my mother is dark (my father is extremely light skinned). My nephew and niece are white looking. We are all considered black however. This is the same as with Egyptians. Because they were a people that were descendant from several races they were many different colors. They did not discriminate against their own people based on the color of their skin. Based on your own quote, "they portray foreigners in an array of different body and clothing styles, differentiating between them almost academically". A foreigner is simply a person from another land and culture. Egyptians differentiating between themselves and a foreigner (person from another land) is not the same thing as discriminating against the people of their own land and culture based on skin color. And you have no proof that they did. However, what you do have is a multitude of Egyptian Art that depicts Ancient Egyptians (themselves) with many varying skin colors (but always with dark hair and eyes). And a large majority of the depictions are of darker skinned peoples (brown or even jet black skin). Even the lightest people depicted are still not white, they are of a tan complexion (like people who are of mixed ancestry). Again, you only need to look at the art itself to see what is true and what is not true. It seems you live inside a deep well of lies. Climb out of it by using your logic and coming to reasonable conclusions about the facts that you are given here.
For some reason my response is not getting posted... I will try again:
Viking, The person who wrote this article wrote this: "Clearly we can see that ancient Egyptians were white, about the same as Italians." This is a quote taken directly from the article…The author is clearly trying to say that Egyptians were white and not black. So, it seems to me that it is you who are missing the point. I am merely saying that they were not white. And neither were they black. They were a mixture of ancestries which included white and black and others. If they were not, then why does nearly all Egyptian Art depict themselves as different colors. Including very black skin? Would you draw yourself with having brown and black skin if you are not brown or black? Again, that’s like telling the children of the future that the Country of USA contained only white people and not black or anything else. That would be a complete lie. The truth is that the Native peoples of America were conquered by Europeans who brought African slaves to the continent (and other people also migrated here)… so the result is a land of many peoples and is influenced by the presence of all of these people. Just as in Egypt (and all of North Africa), the original native peoples were indeed black people, however overtime, lighter peoples migrated to North Africa and thus the result was a mixture of all of these people living together. Also, it is not true that black people were "very far" to the south. I'm sure you have heard of Nubians. They were unmistakably black people. The land of Nubia is part of the Nile Valley, and it lies partly in southern Egypt (until it was permanently flooded by the Aswan Dam in the 1960's) and partly in northern Sudan. Sudan borders Egypt to the South and is North of the Sahara Desert. You can find this information anywhere and everywhere. There is plenty of evidence showing that Nubia was actually part of Egypt. And plenty of evidence that Nubian Kings existed and ruled in Egypt at different times ...as well as in Sudan... which again is not "far south" but actually borders Egypt. So my question to you is why do you continue to perpetuate the lie that black people were only "very far south" or Sub-Saharan when there is plenty of evidence to support the fact that they were also very far north as well? Are you lying on purpose or out of ignorance of the facts? I'd really like to know. And for anyone else out there who wants to know the truth. Just look up the word "Nubia" or "Cush/Kush" in any search engine or encyclopedia and you will see that black people were indeed North of the Sahara Desert and were part of Egypt. Do your own research and do not believe the lies.
@Ladymystic
Despite having accused me of lying, your comments deserve a response because you have read much into my words that simply isn't there.
As you say "The person who wrote this article wrote this: "Clearly we can see that ancient Egyptians were white, about the same as Italians." "
I did not write the article, and the person who did clearly considers Egyptians to look like modern Italians, who would be considered white. Like I said, it depends who you ask.
I am also fully aware of Nubia, which as I said, lies "very far" to the South. I never said how far - by their standards it was damn far, and if you look on a map you can see that the Nubian desert is several times the distance further away than Canaan/Israel, the nearest cultural neighbour of Egypt.
I've already written elsewhere on this blog that the Egyptians were a mixed bunch, including a lot of different kinds of people, but the ruling elite were the ones who matter to history - and most of the dynasties of Egypt were of Semitic-speaking brown-skinned people.
You keep reading your modern concepts back into history - you can't. I never said anything about discriminating! I said they were interested in classifying people; that's not the same thing. Language was a far greater cultural barrier then than skin colour in any case, and ethnicity was often defined by it.
The point is, they were very much their own kind of people - you can't read modern concepts back into history, particularly political agendas. The problem is that people insist on doing it. The equation Egypt = Africa = Black is a fallacy.
Viking, Please tell me why you are telling me that Egypt does not Equal Black? Did I say that it does? Did you even read my comments? I said they were neither white nor black but of several different ancestries. Did you not see that? First thing is this: Egypt does not Equal White like the author is trying to state. Second thing is this: Egypt was absolutely and undeniably influenced by Black people. If you know about the Kushites (like you say that you do), how can you even deny this? Also, there are many people commenting and trying to say that Black people had no presence in Egypt at all... that they were "too far south" or even Sub-Saharan to have contributed to Egypt. My post was to show that this is a lie. Black people did indeed have a presence in Egypt (Nubia was the land of Kush in Ancient times and was located INSIDE the land of Egypt.) Not only was Kush part of Ancient Egypt, the Nubians did indeed rule as Kings IN EGYPT in different Dynasties (again, this is information that is well documented).
Viking, this is your hypothesis from your own post "The hypothesis is : The ancient Egyptians were black Africans, in the vein of Nubians and modern West Africans." You said that you disagree with this... but if this is the "hypothesis", then it is partly true. Right? I am not saying that all Egyptians were black, however Kushites (Nubians) were black and they lived in Kush, which was, again ... a part of Ancient Egypt. So, in fact the hypothesis that “ancient Egyptians were black Africans, in the vein of Nubians and modern West Africans” has some truth because the land of Nubia (which contained black African Nubians) was actually a part of Ancient Egypt. The more truthful way to say your hypothesis is "SOME Egyptians were black". Because... they were. There were black, jet black, black as night black Nubians living in the land of Egypt during and even before the pyramids were built. (The Kushites built pyramids and had high agricultural development before they were invaded by the Egyptians). So here is the real equation...
Egypt = Africa = Black + Brown + Yellow + Red (from the atlantean influence) + White
So again let me make this clear to you and everyone else: Egyptians were not white. Egyptians were not black. Egyptians were a melting pot of different races including these races and others. However the Native population that existed in that land before the empire of Egypt was even built was indeed black. And black people lived in, contributed to, and reigned in Egypt at several different periods. Again look up the word "Kush" and you will see that this is truth. So, to those of you who say that there were no black people who lived in, contributed to, and reined in Ancient Egypt or that Egyptians were white... you are lying.
lol
not everyone who disagrees with you is "lying", it takes some paranoia to believe that!
Nobody says there were no black people in Egypt - they just say that the black people weren't in charge. The Nubians were for a while, but not at the time of the pyramid builders.
PS
just for reference, here's an article of the sort that the above post is designed to contradict:
http://www.thuglifearmy.com/news/?id=1475
to quote:
"Two prevailing themes are consistently promoted in the mass media to minimize any empowering efforts on the part of Black people: various television programs and articles to embed in the mind that slavery is the only legacy of Black people; and a barrage of programs, articles and false graphics to reverse the fact that Black people created the world's most significant ancient civilization, Kemet (Egypt), the precursor to world civilizations, science, medicine, mathematics and many other human creations."
Here's a well written, scholarly article on the subject.
http://www.catchpenny.org/race.html
Viking, You said: "not everyone who disagrees with you is "lying", it takes some paranoia to believe that!"
I agree! Not everyone who disagrees with me is lying. However, everyone (every single person that exists) who is stating/saying/telling what is not true is stating/saying/telling a lie (or lying). So, are you trying to say that I am paranoid for calling a lie a lie? What is the opposite of truth, if it is not a lie? If a person says that black is white, or that brown is white, or that red is white (or that Egypt is white like the article was trying to say), then that person is obviously not telling the truth (or lying). There is no paranoia at all involved here. The person who wrote the post is clearly trying to say that the people of Egypt were white and that there was no evidence of black people in and around Egypt except as slaves. How am I paranoid for calling this a lie? Especially, when… As I proved over and over again... it IS a lie.
Also, it does not matter to me what type of article the author was trying to contradict. He was being untruthful (or lying) when trying to make his own contradiction... He should have opted to tell the truth instead of the "opposite" of what he was trying to contradict... which again... is absolutely not true (or a lie). It has been sufficiently proven, over and over, that the "facts" presented in this article as "facts" are not true at all... or in essence... They are lies.
Now to get right down to it... You said this: “Nobody says there were no black people in Egypt - they just say that the black people weren't in charge. The Nubians were for a while, but not at the time of the pyramid builders”.
I’m not going to go into the fact that several people did indeed say that black people were not in Egypt and that black people were never “in charge” (because I have already proven that black people were in Egypt and were “in charge” at different times), but is it my understanding that you are claiming that Black People were not influential in the building of the pyramids or that they did not build pyramids at all themselves? Is that what this is all about? Are you trying to say that Black People did not build pyramids? If so, that is simply not true (or a lie)… You need only to look up Nubian Pyramids and you will see that Nubians built many, many pyramids. Many are still present in Southern Egypt and Sudan (where parts of Nubia existed). And Sudan has the second most amount of pyramids still in existence in the world today behind Egypt. There is much evidence to show that black people did indeed build pyramids…
Here is a link about the Nubian Pyramids…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_pyramids
And here is a link about Pyramids in General… You can see that Nubians contributed a great deal to the number of Pyramids that still exist today (and also to the unification of Egypt itself but that is a different history lesson).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids
So tell me Viking, Do you still believe that black people did not build pyramids in ancient times? If so, you believe a lie. The question I have is this: Why would you continue to believe this lie when there is so much evidence to prove it to be false?
All who believe in the "white man" egypt rubbish cleary knows not a thing about history....To cut 1000s of yrs of history short he white came into egypt and cleared egypt of its heritage...thats what they do,you took the bible from the original jews and changed the god to white...now lets cut the crap - why do you think the noses are missing from the OLDEST kings n queens statues noses...DELETION OF BLACK HISTORY...NOW lookat the oldest kings and queens images on the walls of egypt they look white to you!or you all color blind! you all do not have a clue about black history,and you also wonder why the whole of africa,india etc was called ethiopia!and the atlantic was called etiopia!where does the name ethiopia even come from!you all need to research more before talking rubbish.. let me help you out (king itiopis) now come and tell me this dude was white...and from there you all can research and come back with real evidense not made up bull...i guess the oldest found fossil structure was a white male!and chinese invented martial arts,and the white man electiricity and the light bulb lol hahahaha RESEARCH YOU LEARNER AND STOP USING WIKI AND OTHER WHITE RESOURCES.
@Anonymous 11:17pm
Are you off your meds mate?
okay..it's clear that ignorance is bliss..but with that comes this kind of stupidity!..there is no way that Egyptians are in any way white..white ppl resided in EUROPE!..not AFRICA!..Egyptians are Africans..just like Nigerians are Africans..like Kenyans are Africans..like Ethopians are Africans. Once you idiots get it through your heads that black ppl have more variety than you could ever imagine, you will be a lot better off and could finally stop spitting this garbage and disgracing yourselves. DO YOUR RESEARCH!..bcuz you can say and believe whatever you want to..but it does not make it anymore factual or true..and by the way..Italians are not white..they are Italian!
Who posted this? Its clear that ancient egyptians were black look at all ancient egyptian paintings and the mummies they had black feutures not white. I am egyptian and my skin is brown and my hair is black and curly just like the girls in the photo's. No egyptian is white or blonde or of a white background some may be mixed with white or have a little bit of egyptian but egyptians are african. Ask any egyptian don't speak for yourself because cleary you are a racist freak who is trying to steal and invade history! Take that from someone who is egyptian. Egyptians are all different colors but NONE are European... Go to egypt for yourself you won't find any egyptians with blonde hair or blue eyes so this artical is a joke and it is very degrading to black egyptians and to our culture and our history, and it is VERY offencsive...
Are you telling me that I'm white? I'm egyptian and I am not white... So do more research.
And I'm guessing your white?
Get off the crack honey egyptians were black!
You think Ancient egyptians were white because they have some paintings with lighter skined people and thats because Romans invaded and later on so did the Arabians any one knows that, and if you did study like you suppodely said you would know for yourself. This is a joke and your making a fool of yourself.
Why don't you just ask an egyptian honey? Ask me and I'll tell you I'm no white person.
@Anon 8:32 to 8:36. Nobody gives a shit that you are offended. Offence is in the eye of the offended, and is a subjective emotion. The truth is what matters. Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with nuclear DNA studies on the Y chromosome. Early Egyptians, from around 3400 to 1800 BC, were Caucasian. As they moved south, along the Nile, they merged with Nubians (black Africans). The Egyptian civilisation went into decline, from which it has never recovered. Today Egypt is a third world country with an IQ of 83. Go figure.
Exactly VI. It's amazing how much angry reaction this post still gets. I must have rejected another dozen comments that weren't suitable for public consumption.
This topic is really interesting to me because my last name is Gizzi from Italy - in America since early 1900s. When I went to Ellis Island in New York City and looked up the meaning of our last name I discovered it means: "Egyptian Slave".
Yes, ancient Egyptians were white. They intermingled with blacks much later on.
Honestly, Ramses had red hair, Tutankhamen had blue eyes, and the list goes on.
http://www.white-history.com/earlson/rameses_files/ramesses.jpg
What the blacks constantly fail to understand is the massive natural barrier that the Sahara desert represented to the people that lived thousands of years ago. You could not cross it on foot.
Let me repeat that: " You could not cross it on foot. See the map.
http://geology.com/records/sahara-desert-map.gif
The only travellers that did cross it made use of camels and even then they frequently died. Now we know that the blacks did not domesticate any camels hence they could no have crossed the Sahara desert.
Though the very Northern parts one could access Africa from Asia and this is exactly what happened and this is why you find the Caucasians in the Northern regions of Africa.
The only other access points the sub-African, below the equator, blacks would have had to Northern Africa was through the Nile river.
The Egyptians knew this and they were perpetually at war with Nubia to replenish their stocks of slaves. In the event of an uprising by the Nubians, they built huge fortresses along the Nile at the Egyptian, Nubian border, the most notable one being the fortress at Buhen.
http://www.ees.ac.uk/userfiles/image/Buhen%20Images%20for%20Dr%20J%20F%20A%20Garcia%20HIGH%20QUAL%2002%20EDITED%20for%20www.jpg
They built these fortresses for a reason. They did not want the Nubians in their country. One might call it Egyptian "apartheid"
A4
The blacks are a sad, sad race and the fact that they think nothing of trying to steal a culture that does not belong to them, says a lot about their criminal personality type.
Firstly you have three main racial groups.
1) The Caucasians
2) The Mongoloids
3) The Negroids
and then of course you have various mixtures of the three.
The African Americans tend to think of themselves as representative of the black race, whilst they are merely a mixed race. In South Africa we would probably call a lot of them coloureds, as the average African American has on average 13% white ancestry. This is why a lot of African Americans have some white features. Instead of being so ungrateful, they should thank their white ancestors for at least making them better looking than their 100% racially pure black Africans.
Here is the genetic STUDY that was done that proof African Americans have 13% white ancestry.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/324/5930/1035?rss=1
My point is this that if you were to compare the ancient Egyptians to either whites or blacks, you have to compare them with the people that actually lived in those days. In other words you cannot take a racially mixed African American and compare him to an Egyptian, because he isn't representative of his race. He isn't a pure specimen.
African Americans did not exist 4,000 years ago. You only had 100% pure blooded blacks, the blacks that you will today find in Africa only.
This is what they looked like in the Egyptian days. These pictures are found on a mural at Abu Simbel.
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/abu-simbel.jpg
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/nubians-offering.jpg
continued....
I remember a while back about some Afrocentrist boon scientist that claimed that the Egyptians were Negroid. He performed some melamine test on the mummies and concluded that the Egyptians were black.
What was not said is that although the Egyptians had a higher melamine content than whites, it was lower when compared to African Americans and you will remember from my previous post that African Americans are not racially representative, as they are a black, white hybrid race themselves.
Anyway what this stupid scientist did was to take the melamine from the Egyptians and then he compared it to the melamine levels of Europeans. This is in faulty, because he should have compared it to the melamine of Caucasians that LIVE IN AFRICA, as the Egyptians were exposed to the African sun. If he compared the Egyptian melamine to a South African white for instance he would have found that the levels are identical.
We white Africans are a bit darker that out white European cousins.
But that is not all. This stupid wannabe boon scientist then compared the Egyptian melamine to the melamine found in African Americans. This is stupid science, because as I've proved earlier, the African Americans have on average 13% white ancestry. He should have compared the Egyptian sample to A BLACK AFRICAN sample.
See how black scientist work. Not according to scientific method at all, but rather to express their desires.
continued....
Whilst the Egyptians were Caucasian, I would not exactly call them white. They are a sub group.
One thing I can say for sure is that the Egyptians were most certainly not Negroid and I have genetic tests that were done that proves this, but more on this later.
I'll start with a statement.
"Out of the over 3,000 mummies that have been found so far, NOT A SINGLE NEGROID MUMMY HAS BEEN FOUND IN ANY OF THE ROYAL TOMBS.
That's right. Not a SINGLE black mummy. All the blacks can say is this point, is to fall back on their conspiracy theories, hahahaha.
Here are some pictures of mummies.
Probably the most famous one of them all is RamsesII.
http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mummy/images/ikra-01f-ramses-ii-l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/mummy/ikra-01f.html&usg=__E6SuSTai1iMmrkprH0JNhpOjuCM=&h=357&w=506&sz=83&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=PLVf6ush7bRkyM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dramses%2Bii%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26um%3D1
http://www.crb2.k12.wy.us/users/pkraft/egypt/Ramses%20II%20mummy.jpg
Now only a deluded denialist boon can claim that he was black.
Look at his profile.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Ramses_II_-_The_mummy.jpg
His hair was red and no, it was not the Henna that dyed it so. They tested his hair and found that the red at the roots were his own. Obviously he had red hair and when he became older dyed it with red henna to look younger.
Here are some more pictures...
http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.burlingtonnews.net/redhairedmummye5.JPG&imgrefurl=http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/egyptian-mummies-with-blond-brown-and-red-hair/&usg=__4KDmpDyXB-w-ppRMzxKMwthcfP8=&h=270&w=221&sz=13&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=Pyzlt19S6C5s5M:&tbnh=113&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblond%2Bmummies%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26um%3D1
http://www.bjwinslow.com/albums/coffincaskets/Egyptian_Mummy_and_Sarcophagus.jp
http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://anubis4_2000.tripod.com/mummypages2/KV35MummiesColor.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ancientgalleries.blogspot.com/2008/07/unindentified-mummies.html&usg=__LK3O6xzRcRFLoK4oqbwSQB8glQ8=&h=1086&w=1609&sz=171&hl=en&start=16&um=1&tbnid=SVpCtHRJTWIzxM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmummies%2Bof%2Begypt%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26um%3D1
http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200706/r155168_559353.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/27/1963984.htm%3Fsite%3Dnews&usg=__3ABp-Qsnc7fdm388_3E-XRJTdmo=&h=569&w=840&sz=106&hl=en&start=14&um=1&tbnid=BO9AUm4gp3SM6M:&tbnh=98&tbnw=145&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmummies%2Bof%2Begypt%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26um%3D1
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-06/28/xinsrc_562060428130335926638.jpg
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/mummies2.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k4/BSASR/5zqy5mu.jpg
There are literally thousands of pictures of mummies and I don't have the will to place them all.
What I will say is that:
"there has never been found a mummy of a black in any of the royal tombs of Egypt. Not EVEN ONE.
continued....
Genetic test have been done and guess what....no black ancestry.
Note that these are scientific STUDIES, not articles.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182266/
An extract:
"Oman and Egypt’s NRY frequency distributions appear to be much more similar to those of the Middle East than to any sub-Saharan African population, suggesting a much larger Eurasian genetic component."
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Even the oldest mummy found in Egypt at Hierakonpolis is called Ginger, because he had ginger coloured hair. His features were also very notably Caucasian.
http://www.livius.org/a/1/egypt/ginger.jpg
He lived during the time of Narmer, who was the FIRST Egyptian pharoah, also known as Menes.
All that exists to day of Narmer is this item called the Narmer palette.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/NarmerPalette-ROM-back.jpg
Zoom in on the nose.
It is not a Negroid snout.
............
People have often said that the Egyptians look a lot like the Ethiopians, but the fact is that the Ethiopians are like the African Americans a racially mixed race and genetic tests have confirmed this.
http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297(07)63507-1
Extract:
"Results from these markers led to the hypothesis that the Ethiopian population (1) experienced Caucasoid gene flow mainly through males,"
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Where did the whites come from???
Obviously they could only have come from the North and to the North is Egypt.
The reason why blacks make such crappy scientists is because they lack objectivity. One scientist would make an unfounded claim and then all the other blacks would use him as a reference.
Can anyone tell me why the following is true, as it lacks rationale:
About six months ago I was watching a show in the UK where a "white" man is trying to defend his position which is to seek a type of 1st class citizen status for "white" UK Citizens (like "blacks" have in Lesotho and Maoris have in New Zealand etc.). An educated "black" woman on the show tells him that, as the whole of Europe was under ice just 10000 years ago, it makes sense that Celtic "whites" arrived from Africa, and that, as Africans shouldn't have any more right to the UK than other ethnic groups. The audience cheered and all agreed that each ethnicity is as much British as any other.
HOWEVER, now I sit and read these comments by "blacks" on this blog, who are trying to give "blacks" a 1st class status in Africa.
How can this be? Are the "white" people of the Earth not allowed any part of it?
Anon, are you thinking of the Nick Griffin lynching on BBC?
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/cush.html
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/ham.html. hope it will help
hey guys, im an Egyptian girl and i hate this dispute, why, because i dont think we have to come from another race!! we are a race! we have our own race, its not white, its not black!!,modern egyptians now are mixed, you can see white ,brown, black,very mixed due to successive occupations, but anyhow, my point is, WHY IN THE WORLD DO WE HAVE TO COME FROM ANOTHER RACE?!!, why dont you just accept it as we are a race!civilizations were always built near rivers,and thats the case here,nobody migrated or any of this you guys are saying,you have no proof anybody migrated to Egypt thousands of years ago,im saying that to whites and blacks, you are trying to steal our history! both of you! we have our own race,end of story and stop arguing
ah one more point,why dont you say, whites are egyptians who migrated to europe? i think this would be more rational BECAUSE history says we're older than u,same applies to black, so enough is enough, we're neither white nor black, north african is a race which has features from Africa and Europe at the same time,that's it,stop trying to steal history!!!
"honey"... Seen too many US shows to instantly recognize this as a overused word in the AA vocabulary. I can just picture the head bobbing left and right and finger swaying accompanying the message....
Expect a lot more AA opinions (which don't matter) here in the future.
@Anon 15:11
welcome to this discussion, and I agree with you, although i have trouble with the idea of any small group of people however ancient being "their own race" without some kind of mixing!
sorry but whats an AA opinion? i dont get this abbreviation??!! but anyways,i believe we didnt come from anywhere but this land, and if someone has to be a descendant of someone,then the whole world is descendant of egyptians and not the reverse!
AA = African American
Who really cares did white black or green people build the pyramids.
Try remember we ALL are human beings get your head out of your arse and try treat people the way they behave not the way they look.
Guys...guys. seriously. this was 1000's of years ago. for all we know they were all green and they just coulnt afford green paint....ok so maybe not. but OBVIOUSLY the particular type of race they were has become extinct in its purest form. there was black in them and some lighter tones..but they definately werent black 'cus if you look at their painting, their sculptures and ALL their decorations and depictions of themselves, they had quite thin lips and tight noses. im not being racist at all but those are the big differences in facial features when looking at black and white people.
and you guys need to stop being offended...do you even have ANY idea who you're talking to, how old they are or what their background is??? no. and to all of you who r going CRAZY again...yes it does matter because there are people here who seem to be 12 years old and people who seem to be 80 (or think they are).
so get over it. who cares?? and what difference does it make if, by some miracele we do actually come to a conclusion???
'Pharoahs' has been mis-spelt.
It is 'Fair Ou's'.
That settles it.
Or not.
Anon.
Wow, this is very sad...nothing but false out-dated theories here. I have to say that I am actually studying Ancient Egypt and just came back from Cairo. After visiting their tombs, its easy to see that they were a Black people. I think this is something that my fellow white people have to just accept.
Just had to post a "who the fuck cares" whether the Egyptians were black or what!
There is a common ancestor for humans and chimps. They split some 1,5 mln years ago.
Chimps are white and hairy. Body hair is protection from the sun and from cold.
The first Africans most probably, like chimps, have white skin.
Chimps haven’t evolved into anything else after spliting.
70000 years ago there was an another spliting.
See: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Populations.png/450px-Populations.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
Clarence E. Walker(black prof.): Afrocentrism as "therapeutic mythology" asserted as a way to promote the self-esteem of African Americans ("by creating a past that never was."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb302/is_2_28/ai_n29049618/
Off top:
The horn 'vulvazulu' isn't a black thing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/sp...er/09horn.html
I haven't read all the comments because I'm no expert and there are simply too many. But here is some news on the topic:
Despite the refusal of the Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match with Western European Y chromosomes.
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/06/king-tuts-dna-is-western-european/
Here's a straight answer from the big boss himself. A very clear answer in the form of a 2007 press release... (the emphasis is mine):
"Tutankhamun was not black: Egypt antiquities chief
(AFP) – Sep 25, 2007
CAIRO (AFP) — Egyptian antiquities supremo Zahi Hawass insisted Tuesday that Tutankhamun was not black despite calls by US black activists to recognise the boy king's dark skin colour.
"TUTANKHAMUN WAS NOT BLACK, AND THE PORTRAYAL OF ANCIENT EGYPTIAN CIVILISATION AS BLACK HAS NO ELEMENT OF TRUTH TO IT," Hawass told reporters.
"EGYPTIANS ARE NOT ARABS AND ARE NOT AFRICANS DESPITE THE FACT THAT EGYPT IS IN AFRICA," he said, quoted by the official MENA news agency.
Hawass said he was responding to several demonstrations in Philadelphia after a lecture he gave there on September 6 where he defended his theory.
Protestors also claimed images of King Tut were altered to show him with lighter skin at the "Tutankhamun and the Golden Age of the Pharaohs" exhibit which leaves Philadelphia for London on September 30.
The exhibition sparked an uproar when it kicked off in Los Angeles in June 2005 when black activists demanded that a bust of the boy king be removed because the statue portrays him as white.
The face of the legendary pharaoh, who died around 3,300 years ago at the age of just 19, was reconstructed in 2005 through images collected through CAT scans of his mummy.
The boy king's intact tomb caused an international sensation when it was discovered by Briton Howard Carter in 1922 near Luxor in southern Egypt."
And aside from the 2007 press release on the matter, I agree with FishEagle. The results were leaked after Discovery Channel aired a show on Tutankhamun during which results of a DNA test on a computer screen showed certain genetic markers.
There is online software which uses these markers to predict your genetic descent. Turns out this is Western European in Tutankhamun's case.
And frankly, just take a look at the mummies. The Ramesseeds (they followed Tut) and Tiye (his grandmother) were all red heads. And no nonsense about your hair changes colour - that's bs - they test your hair at the roots were some color always remains.
Caucasian mummies have also been found in China (Tocharians) and blue-eyed mummies have been found in Peru. Of course these types of things tend to get ignored as well because it's not PC to say so and people living off welfare stand to lose out.
It's pretty clear from manuscripts that Egyptians described themselves as different from Nubians, and in some cases even described them in a very unfavourable light.
Call me a racist if you want, in fact I dare you. I don't care. It's not racist to tell the truth and I'm happy to be white. If it's a problem for some people, they must suck it up and deal with it and rather concentrate on fixing themselves than trying to break down whites.
I'm fed up. And proudly white. So there.
Anonymous 24 April 2010 05:23, what were you smoking? Did you get some hashish off the street in Cairo?
Where are you 'studying' this? Off some black empowerment website?
You must be lying. Or otherwise you are confusing that black embalming goo they used during mummification for skin color?
LMAO @ Anonymous 25 February 2010 17:49
"honey"... Seen too many US shows to instantly recognize this as a overused word in the AA vocabulary. I can just picture the head bobbing left and right and finger swaying accompanying the message....
Expect a lot more AA opinions (which don't matter) here in the future."
Yes, and when you don't want to believe her, you'll be called "fool". LOL wonder if she has a gold tooth too!
The ones who say the ancient egyptians were black need their head tested. I am a Egyptian Copt and trace my ancesters thousands of years, The imposters who say they are egyptian and black are clearly lieing. I am of white complexioned and if you go to any towns the girls are milky white and the men tanned,some are white like me too. Black racists go to your west african heritage and lay off our history
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